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yeah well live had better be more than years ahead,it had better be 50 dollars ahead



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slowmo said:
Kantor said:
FastFord58 said:
gamelover2000 said:
this thread has turned into a flame war, may I suggest a lock?

Surprise. Which thread doesn't turn into a flamewar on this board anymore?

When the high PS3 price went away, all the trolls came out to play.

 

I see no trolling.

Only people pointing out that one could argue that Live's exclusive features when compared to PSN don't justify the price. Yes, people have different opinions. That's not called trolling. If Sony said "We have the best online service", and people said "No, because of x, y and z", that wouldn't be trolling either.

If you can't accept other people's opinions, I suggest you get off the internet.


Perhaps the reason people love Live is the complete experience rather than a list of arbitary features.  The fact that its completely integrated into the 360 gaming experience makes it a better experience than PSN anyway before you add the extra features it has. 

People have been trolling in this thread, you seriously need to take off your rose tinted spetacles if you're that much in denial.  I expect nothing less though from a master of the art.

Oh please, when do I ever troll? My moderation history is clear.

I am simply stating that people have opinions. Many people believe that Live is worth the price. Some people don't. An opinion which is different to your own is not "trolling". In fact, I think the main problem with the community here of late is not people trolling, but people screaming "TROLL!" whenever somebody expresses an unpopular opinion.

I don't have sufficient experience with Live to really judge it, but from what I've seen, it's an excellent service, that much cannot be denied. Whether it is $40/year better than PSN is debatable. And I disagree that "no online service can touch Live", because I think Steam is much better, and many would agree with me.



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Kantor said:
slowmo said:
Kantor said:
FastFord58 said:
gamelover2000 said:
this thread has turned into a flame war, may I suggest a lock?

Surprise. Which thread doesn't turn into a flamewar on this board anymore?

When the high PS3 price went away, all the trolls came out to play.

 

I see no trolling.

Only people pointing out that one could argue that Live's exclusive features when compared to PSN don't justify the price. Yes, people have different opinions. That's not called trolling. If Sony said "We have the best online service", and people said "No, because of x, y and z", that wouldn't be trolling either.

If you can't accept other people's opinions, I suggest you get off the internet.


Perhaps the reason people love Live is the complete experience rather than a list of arbitary features.  The fact that its completely integrated into the 360 gaming experience makes it a better experience than PSN anyway before you add the extra features it has. 

People have been trolling in this thread, you seriously need to take off your rose tinted spetacles if you're that much in denial.  I expect nothing less though from a master of the art.

Oh please, when do I ever troll? My moderation history is clear.

I am simply stating that people have opinions. Many people believe that Live is worth the price. Some people don't. An opinion which is different to your own is not "trolling". In fact, I think the main problem with the community here of late is not people trolling, but people screaming "TROLL!" whenever somebody expresses an unpopular opinion.

I don't have sufficient experience with Live to really judge it, but from what I've seen, it's an excellent service, that much cannot be denied. Whether it is $40/year better than PSN is debatable. And I disagree that "no online service can touch Live", because I think Steam is much better, and many would agree with me.

Please read the first 4 pages of this thread and tell me there was no trolling.  Seriously you look like an ass arguing that point when a mod entered this thread asked for it to remain on topic and banned/warned some members. 

I'd personally say entering a discussion and claiming a fact that is false despite the evidence clearly in front of you just to start a argument is trolling, just because you've not been banned just means you don't cross the line enough for the mods to act.  In your defence at least you add plenty of positives to the site with your contributions.

Steam is indeed a better service than Live but it's not integrated with every PC and its not on a console so I don't see the relevance to the original PR statement.  I do have experience with both PSN and Live (and Steam) and I choose to pay to play on my 360 online.



slowmo said:
Kantor said:
slowmo said:
Kantor said:
FastFord58 said:
gamelover2000 said:
this thread has turned into a flame war, may I suggest a lock?

Surprise. Which thread doesn't turn into a flamewar on this board anymore?

When the high PS3 price went away, all the trolls came out to play.

 

I see no trolling.

Only people pointing out that one could argue that Live's exclusive features when compared to PSN don't justify the price. Yes, people have different opinions. That's not called trolling. If Sony said "We have the best online service", and people said "No, because of x, y and z", that wouldn't be trolling either.

If you can't accept other people's opinions, I suggest you get off the internet.


Perhaps the reason people love Live is the complete experience rather than a list of arbitary features.  The fact that its completely integrated into the 360 gaming experience makes it a better experience than PSN anyway before you add the extra features it has. 

People have been trolling in this thread, you seriously need to take off your rose tinted spetacles if you're that much in denial.  I expect nothing less though from a master of the art.

Oh please, when do I ever troll? My moderation history is clear.

I am simply stating that people have opinions. Many people believe that Live is worth the price. Some people don't. An opinion which is different to your own is not "trolling". In fact, I think the main problem with the community here of late is not people trolling, but people screaming "TROLL!" whenever somebody expresses an unpopular opinion.

I don't have sufficient experience with Live to really judge it, but from what I've seen, it's an excellent service, that much cannot be denied. Whether it is $40/year better than PSN is debatable. And I disagree that "no online service can touch Live", because I think Steam is much better, and many would agree with me.

Please read the first 4 pages of this thread and tell me there was no trolling.  Seriously you look like an ass arguing that point when a mod entered this thread asked for it to remain on topic and banned/warned some members. 

I'd personally say entering a discussion and claiming a fact that is false despite the evidence clearly in front of you just to start a argument is trolling, just because you've not been banned just means you don't cross the line enough for the mods to act.

Steam is indeed a better service than Live but it's not integrated with every PC and its not on a console so I don't see the relevance to the original PR statement.  I do have experience with both PSN and Live (and Steam) and I choose to pay to play on my 360 online.

I'll admit that a couple of posts were trolling, but that's always been there. TWO POSTS, out of some 80 made in this thread so far.



(Former) Lead Moderator and (Eternal) VGC Detective

Kantor said:
slowmo said:
Kantor said:
slowmo said:
Kantor said:
FastFord58 said:
gamelover2000 said:
this thread has turned into a flame war, may I suggest a lock?

Surprise. Which thread doesn't turn into a flamewar on this board anymore?

When the high PS3 price went away, all the trolls came out to play.

 

I see no trolling.

Only people pointing out that one could argue that Live's exclusive features when compared to PSN don't justify the price. Yes, people have different opinions. That's not called trolling. If Sony said "We have the best online service", and people said "No, because of x, y and z", that wouldn't be trolling either.

If you can't accept other people's opinions, I suggest you get off the internet.


Perhaps the reason people love Live is the complete experience rather than a list of arbitary features.  The fact that its completely integrated into the 360 gaming experience makes it a better experience than PSN anyway before you add the extra features it has. 

People have been trolling in this thread, you seriously need to take off your rose tinted spetacles if you're that much in denial.  I expect nothing less though from a master of the art.

Oh please, when do I ever troll? My moderation history is clear.

I am simply stating that people have opinions. Many people believe that Live is worth the price. Some people don't. An opinion which is different to your own is not "trolling". In fact, I think the main problem with the community here of late is not people trolling, but people screaming "TROLL!" whenever somebody expresses an unpopular opinion.

I don't have sufficient experience with Live to really judge it, but from what I've seen, it's an excellent service, that much cannot be denied. Whether it is $40/year better than PSN is debatable. And I disagree that "no online service can touch Live", because I think Steam is much better, and many would agree with me.

Please read the first 4 pages of this thread and tell me there was no trolling.  Seriously you look like an ass arguing that point when a mod entered this thread asked for it to remain on topic and banned/warned some members. 

I'd personally say entering a discussion and claiming a fact that is false despite the evidence clearly in front of you just to start a argument is trolling, just because you've not been banned just means you don't cross the line enough for the mods to act.

Steam is indeed a better service than Live but it's not integrated with every PC and its not on a console so I don't see the relevance to the original PR statement.  I do have experience with both PSN and Live (and Steam) and I choose to pay to play on my 360 online.

I'll admit that a couple of posts were trolling, but that's always been there. TWO POSTS, out of some 80 made in this thread so far.


There is more than 2 but only those were dealt with as being severe enough for moderation.  Those posts that have trolled this thread though took the discussion off topic and wrecked the thread meaning a large number of those 80 posts isn't even about the OP.  It's not the trolls thats the problem on this site, it's the damage that gets done to a thread by people continuing to defend their actions on here. 

For the record, I apologise for inferring you were a troll as there are a huge number of posters on here far more deserving of the title.



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Kantor said:
FastFord58 said:
gamelover2000 said:
this thread has turned into a flame war, may I suggest a lock?

Surprise. Which thread doesn't turn into a flamewar on this board anymore?

When the high PS3 price went away, all the trolls came out to play.

 

I see no trolling.

Only people pointing out that one could argue that Live's exclusive features when compared to PSN don't justify the price. Yes, people have different opinions. That's not called trolling. If Sony said "We have the best online service", and people said "No, because of x, y and z", that wouldn't be trolling either.

If you can't accept other people's opinions, I suggest you get off the internet.

I agree. People need to stop josting others opinins. Discuss other reasons, but down class opinion as trolling.



DirtyP2002 said:

he is right. Nothing can touch Xbox Lives quality. PSN is getting better, but XBL is still way better.

  • 1vs100 (PS home is a bigger and better service)
  • 1080p instant streaming
  • Cross game chat (coming soon to PSN)
  • EVERYBODY has a headset (that's subjective..)
  • XBLA is huge (PSN is bigger, 33M users)
  • Twitter / facebook / Last.Fm (PSN has that and every site on the internet)
  • more DLC(Subjective..)
  • more demos (Subjective..)
  • more Games on Demand (for this gen - otherwise Big N wins here :D ) (wtf does this have to do with anything?)
  • episodic gaming (Fable II was just a start) (PSN has this as well)
  • Video Chats / messages / games (this will kick off with natal even more) (um ok? PSN has that..)
  • MW2 map-packs first :D (your kidding me..)

PSN is free, but XBL still superior.

W.E is white is an advantage, W.E is red is already covered, and you forgot the PARTY system.



 

mM

If Microsoft thinks they're the best online, why do they use PS3 instruction manuals?
:)



leo-j said:
DirtyP2002 said:

he is right. Nothing can touch Xbox Lives quality. PSN is getting better, but XBL is still way better.

  • 1vs100 (PS home is a bigger and better service)
  • 1080p instant streaming
  • Cross game chat (coming soon to PSN)
  • EVERYBODY has a headset (that's subjective..)
  • XBLA is huge (PSN is bigger, 33M users)
  • Twitter / facebook / Last.Fm (PSN has that and every site on the internet)
  • more DLC(Subjective..)
  • more demos (Subjective..)
  • more Games on Demand (for this gen - otherwise Big N wins here :D ) (wtf does this have to do with anything?)
  • episodic gaming (Fable II was just a start) (PSN has this as well)
  • Video Chats / messages / games (this will kick off with natal even more) (um ok? PSN has that..)
  • MW2 map-packs first :D (your kidding me..)

PSN is free, but XBL still superior.

W.E is white is an advantage, W.E is red is already covered, and you forgot the PARTY system.

What does 1vs100 have anything to do with home?  It's a live gameshow that airs at specific times.  Microsoft does have more content it has more DLC and it has more demos... these are not "subjective" they are truth.  What he meant with Games on Demand was more full games for download or current gen.... and CoD:MW2 is a big game for some people... I don't know why, but it's obviously important to him... also another I'll add is not having a browser and being a very controlled system.  There are stuff in the back that Sony will not have this gen at all... like Skill Match (Major Nelson had an interview with the two physicist that build the thing... that's what I want to do with my Phd in Theoretical Physics... build a Skill Matching matrix for Microsoft... though it probably payed better than some retarded rocket company or government work.



zaMy said:
If Microsoft thinks they're the best online, why do they use PS3 instruction manuals?
:)

I don't get it.



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