Gnizmo said:
When you get banned there is a message asking you to review the rules to find out which one you broke specifically (a fact learned from a RL friend having fun with me). This message is entirely meaningless in a large number of bannings.
Hehe.
naznatips said:
Okay folks, here's what I've got as a first draft. Feel free to give questions, comments, concerns, suggestions. Sorry about the screwup with the numbers. When they go in the rules section those will be correctly numbered.
Excellent work, good sir. You seem to have touched on every major point Moderators must cover. I'm sure these simple clarifications will go a long towards providing a consistent and unified front from which the Mods can attack.
naznatips said:
No one can remove anything from your mod history. Not even me. To remove mod history entries Brett or Pat (the site owner and the site coder) would have to actually go in and edit it out of the code in your profile. Trust me, if it's not there, you weren't banned for it.
I don't believe that is correct. I've noticed both account bannings and account reinstatements having gone unoted in various users' moderation histories when carried out by Admins as opposed to regular Moderators. You can check my own history for proof of that. Notice the number of times my account has been reinstated despite no mention of a prior ban (and we all know who's the cause of that ^_^).
You will also find no mention of either a permaban (notably an IP ban carried out by an Admin) nor the reinstatement of the same account after said ban in the member's moderation history in some cases, notably the first referenced by Gnizmo in the OP, in regards to posting pornographic imagery. Proof of this can also be seen simply by looking at the profile page of a certain permabanned alt. Note that it says why the account was banned, but does not specify who carried out the ban. If you click on the member's moderation history, you get nothing.
Usually it's not that big a deal, but it can be quite confusing on our end to see a user who was legimitely banned (even permabanned) suddenly running around scott free, with no evidence of anybody having actually reversed the ban.
Gnizmo said:
Oh there is one other bit while this has everyone's attention. Is there anyway we can get it to be ok for moderators to edit out post content that is deemed against the rules? The troll posts sticking around only furthers the chance people will fall for it and ruin a thread. I can see many reasons why this would be a potentially bad idea so I understand if that goes against what the current team wants to do.
Now this is just a bad idea all around. Under a poster's profile, it links to the damning post that warranted the ban. If the post is edited, you'll just end up with fifty million wall posts and PMs the Moderator in question has to deal with asking "Why was ____ banned!?" or saying "That's BS! That didn't warrant a ban!" And you may also face posters coming back from a ban only to claim they did no wrong, with no proof either way since the original content of their post/thread has since been replaced.
And that also leads to the possibility of Moderator abuse, as one could simply edit a post and claim the initial content warranted a ban. Though I suppose that could happen even now.
Though if either the original content of a post was recorded via Moderation History, or we started keeping logs of who edited posts (to the chagrin of crafty Mafia players everywhere), I suppose it wouldn't be much of a problem.