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Forums - Sales - Level 5 : JRPG's LOOSING Momentum in Japan, FF13 can HELP JRPG's in west!

Son1x on 20 November 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
Carl2291 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Carl2291 said:
The question is...

WHY do JRPG's need momentum again. What has caused them to LOSE momentum.

Why haven't they been selling as well as previous gens?

NO evolution for most of the part

Declining console sales

JRPG's on handhelds are more powerful than ever

1st point i can agree with.

2nd point is bullcrap. Wii is selling faster than anything ever. PS3 and 360 are gonna end up higher than any 2nd/3rd place consoles.

3rd point. Yup...

But hey when you combine TOV PS360 sales its one of the best selling Tales games in Japan

No its not.

Do I have to do this... AGAIN? 

Tales of Phantasia, Tales of Destiny, Tales of Destiny 2, Tales of Eternia, Tales of the Abyss, Tales of Symphonia, Tales of Rebirth.
7 out of 10 main titles (not counting Vesperia) outsold Vesperia (with both consoles combined). Thats bad. The only ones that did worse are DS ones and Legendia, which was made by Tekken/Soul Calibur team and aside from soundtrack, sucked.



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Rei on 20 November 2009
scottie said:
Ok rej. Lets look at it this way.

you're studying the population of humanity by counting the number of people in a remote mining town, assuming that the total population will be equal to a constant times the population of your sample set. Suddenly, the mines run out of gold, and everyone moves away. The only possible conclusion? that humanity is extinct.

Jrpgs are moving to handhelds they are not dying out.


Well I say that a healthy genre can not be made only of estabilished brands. How many non-Pokemon, FF, KH jRPG games have seen a success on handhelds in the West? This generation we are constantly seeing how new wRPG IPs sell millions of copies, and it's just not the same with jRPGs.

   Handhelds or not, but other than a few huge sellers there is not much the genre has left.

  



darthdevidem01 on 20 November 2009
Son1x said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Carl2291 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Carl2291 said:
The question is...

WHY do JRPG's need momentum again. What has caused them to LOSE momentum.

Why haven't they been selling as well as previous gens?

NO evolution for most of the part

Declining console sales

JRPG's on handhelds are more powerful than ever

1st point i can agree with.

2nd point is bullcrap. Wii is selling faster than anything ever. PS3 and 360 are gonna end up higher than any 2nd/3rd place consoles.

3rd point. Yup...

But hey when you combine TOV PS360 sales its one of the best selling Tales games in Japan

No its not.

Do I have to do this... AGAIN? 

Tales of Phantasia, Tales of Destiny, Tales of Destiny 2, Tales of Eternia, Tales of the Abyss, Tales of Symphonia, Tales of Rebirth.
7 out of 10 main titles (+Vesperia)outsold Vesperia (with both consoles combined). Thats bad. The only ones that did worse are DS ones and Legendia, which was made by Tekken/Soul Calibur team and aside from soundtrack, sucked.

Good, thanks for actually stregthening point 2 for me!



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darthdevidem01 on 20 November 2009
Rei said:
scottie said:
Ok rej. Lets look at it this way.

you're studying the population of humanity by counting the number of people in a remote mining town, assuming that the total population will be equal to a constant times the population of your sample set. Suddenly, the mines run out of gold, and everyone moves away. The only possible conclusion? that humanity is extinct.

Jrpgs are moving to handhelds they are not dying out.


Well I say that a healthy genre can not be made only of estabilished brands. How many non-Pokemon, FF, KH jRPG games have seen a success on handhelds in the West? This generation we are constantly seeing how new wRPG IPs sell millions of copies, and it's just not the same with jRPGs.

   Handhelds or not, but other than a few huge sellers there is not much the genre has left.

 

Totally correct

Dragon Age Origins will be the latest to do that....JUST GOT IT...going to play it now!

BUT also see that no big JRPG has released on PS360 as a multiplat.....& Eternal Sonata was bad so it doesn't count



All hail the KING, Andrespetmonkey

Carl on 20 November 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
Carl2291 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Carl2291 said:
The question is...

WHY do JRPG's need momentum again. What has caused them to LOSE momentum.

Why haven't they been selling as well as previous gens?

NO evolution for most of the part

Declining console sales

JRPG's on handhelds are more powerful than ever

1st point i can agree with.

2nd point is bullcrap. Wii is selling faster than anything ever. PS3 and 360 are gonna end up higher than any 2nd/3rd place consoles.

3rd point. Yup...

1) Thats 1/3 in terms of you being right

2) wrong, console sales in Japan (I was talking bout japan) HAVE declined....handhelds have risen

3) 2/3 correct

I'll add in two more:

4) Xbox 360 -- most JRPG's have been on it (from big brands) & have all under-performed......sorry to be blunt, they have under-performed, especially the sakaguchi one's, TOV & SO4. IU & ES did above expectations

But hey when you combine TOV PS360 sales its one of the best selling Tales games in Japan

5) Final Fantasy 13 -- It isn;t here, it will bring JRPG fans to consoles, it will result in more JRPG's doing well as JRPG fans own PS3's

Ahh right, Japan only. I tought you ment WW with the "west" part in the title.



                            

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Citan on 20 November 2009
r505Matt said:
Am I the only one skeptical about FF13? Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about it, I will surely buy it, but it seems EVERYONE I know that's talking about it think it's going to be one of the best games they've (SE) ever made. SE has been really hit or miss with me lately, in the past, I'd buy/rent every game they make. Not so true anymore.

They've long lost a place on my 'Buy every game from these developers' list (which is now only Bioware and Blizzard).

Final Fantasy will be a graphical feast with rpg elements. Nothing more or less I`m afraid.

SE best achievements ended with SNES.

They will still make great make great games, but not for the demanding crowd that want something other than a

hollywood blockbuster, but something that is on an higher intellectual level.

I thought those days were over until I played Demon`s Soul`s.



Citan on 20 November 2009

Double post.



r505Matt on 20 November 2009

I can understand some of that sentiment, but I've liked some of their post-SNES games. FF7, FF10, IU, Dissidia.

I don't usually play games for some sort of higher intellectual pursuit. For RPGS specifically, it's all about a good story (that I don't see coming after 2 hours of gameplay( *cough* FF9 minus the last boss that made no sense)) and good characters with good interchange.

That's why I absolutely LOVE Dragon Age Origins right now. The exchange between your party members is awesome, no other game I've played compares.

Edit: If I desire some kinda of higher intellectual pursuit, I read the latest science articles. I used to try to read Physics textbooks (in ebook format of course) but that got boring FAST.



jarrod on 20 November 2009
Rei said:
scottie said:
Ok rej. Lets look at it this way.

you're studying the population of humanity by counting the number of people in a remote mining town, assuming that the total population will be equal to a constant times the population of your sample set. Suddenly, the mines run out of gold, and everyone moves away. The only possible conclusion? that humanity is extinct.

Jrpgs are moving to handhelds they are not dying out.


Well I say that a healthy genre can not be made only of estabilished brands. How many non-Pokemon, FF, KH jRPG games have seen a success on handhelds in the West? This generation we are constantly seeing how new wRPG IPs sell millions of copies, and it's just not the same with jRPGs.

   Handhelds or not, but other than a few huge sellers there is not much the genre has left.

 

None really stand out these days, except other Nintendo staples (Mario & Luigi, Fire Emblem) though there have been more niche success stories (Etrian Odyssey, Disgaea PSP, etc).  Last gen on GBA, Golden Sun and the earlier MMBN games did exceptionally though (500k+ US) and there were a lot more lower tier successes (Sword of Mana, Tactics Ogre, etc).  

DQIX will probably do really well though, and maybe spark larger western success for the series.  I think Inazuma Eleven will be huge in Europe too.  Golden Sun DS should be big.  Sure you can point to the "big brands" and say nothing else is really catching hold, but it was like that on PS1 and PS2 for the most part as well.  I don't think much has changed frankly.

 

darthdevidem01 said:
@scottie

MH isn't an RPG

It's an action RPG.  I think the Japanese classification is "Hunting Action RPG" iirc.



Citan on 20 November 2009
r505Matt said:

I can understand some of that sentiment, but I've liked some of their post-SNES games. FF7, FF10, IU, Dissidia.

I don't usually play games for some sort of higher intellectual pursuit. For RPGS specifically, it's all about a good story (that I don't see coming after 2 hours of gameplay( *cough* FF9 minus the last boss that made no sense)) and good characters with good interchange.

That's why I absolutely LOVE Dragon Age Origins right now. The exchange between your party members is awesome, no other game I've played compares.

Edit: If I desire some kinda of higher intellectual pursuit, I read the latest science articles. I used to try to read Physics textbooks (in ebook format of course) but that got boring FAST.

So you compare the words higher intellectual only with science?