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Procrastinato on 19 November 2009
Onyxmeth said:

Right. So a single genre, that a lot of people don't enjoy, is what the PSP destroyed the DS in this year. That doesn't mean the PSP had a better year, because variety is important. It may have met or exceeded the expectations of a few people with narrow tastes, but for those of us that game past a single genre like RPGs, you are basically conceding the defeat of the PSP, yes?

Now that we're finished with that, I'm not even sure if the PSP beat the DS in the one category you claim it does. Most of your examples are of games from year's past. I suppose if you're an RPG gamer that also happened to miss the 5th generation, PSP suits your needs. In that case though, you might as well just make the case that the PSP is stellar at running PS1 emulators and leave it at that.

Regarding original content, this is the PSP's argument:

Dissidia, Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2, Half-Minute Hero, Class of Heroes, Mana Khemia: Student Alliance, Crimson Gem Saga, Phantasy Star Portable, Adventures to Go

Here's the DS's argument:

A Witch's Tale, Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story, Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, FF Crystal Chronicles: Echoes of Time, Avalon Code, Nostalgia, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorer's of the Sky, Wizard of Oz: Beyond the Yellow Brick Road, Dragon Quest Wars, Super Robot Taisen OG Saga, Black Sigil, Mega Man Star Force 3, SMT: Devil Survivor, Dokapon Journey, Suikoden Tierkreis, Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume, My World My Way, Master of the Monster Lair, Bleach the 3rd Phantom, Hero's Saga Laevatein Tactics, Blue Dragon Plus

I think the DS makes a strong enough argument for RPGs also. You may prefer the PSP's offerings more, but that doesn't mean the DS hasn't put forth a sufficient effort. I could easily see any RPG gamer enjoying the DS's offerings more.

Personally, the only two genres I think the PSP has ever had and will ever have over the DS are racing and sports games. That's it. It's is consistently better in both categories every year without fail.

You have basically proven my point.  I stated that the PSP and DS both have their own market (i.e. demographics), and that you have to heavily qualify a "beats" statement in order to make it even remotely true.

I can see by your profile (which I guess you keep pretty up-to-date ;)) that you do not own a PSP.

I play with a DS, but I choose not to own one.  I own, not one, but two PSPs (a 2000 and a Go) instead.

I could afford a DS if I wanted one.. quite easily.  But that's just it -- the multitude games on it are largely garbage in my eyes.  Only a couple of the RPGs you mentioned are even worth considering in my book, as real titles.  As I see it, the PSP wiped the floor with the DS this year, and I'm just as glad I own a PSP now, than I ever was.

You, on the other hand, own a DS.  You listed off a huge number of games there -- presumably you've played them all, and (despite some ugly ratings for some of them.. sorry, its true), you find them to be markedly superior to their PSP genre-counterparts.  You think the DS "beat" the PSP this year, and for you, it did.

Sounds like its just as I said.  PSP owners will say the PSP had a better lineup.  DS owners will say the DS had a better lineup.  Multiconsole owners will usually prefer one console to the other(s), and they'll say their favorite had the best lineup.  Of course.  People purchased these consoles, knowing what they were beforehand -- the PSP and DS are much like the PS3 and Wii, they just don't cater an even remotely as-similar crowd.  I would say that approximately 68.3% of the people you ask this question to will say the "DS won" and 31.7% will say the "PSP won".  Trying to figure out if one side, or the other "jumped ship" because of releases this year is an interesting question, but I doubt this VGChartz thread will answer it. =)

For me, and many (~31.7%... I would argue more ;) people, the PSP was awesome this year, relative to the DS.  To those same people, the DS.. not so hot.  Certainly not enough to get my to go buy one... although I confess the idea of playing DQ on a DSi has crossed my mind... but I think I'll just wait for Ninty's next handheld (not the DSi XL) and cross my fingers for BC instead.  



 

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okr on 19 November 2009

@sc94597: I only said that because I saw this discussion going on about PSN games being included but as I stated earlier I don't care which handheld has the better lineup and to be honest I'm not the biggest fan of these library vs. library threads anyway. I just came in here to post my opinion that both handhelds are great and have great libraries.

On a completely unrelated note, I still wished games like Soma Bringer or (at least the first) Inazuma Eleven would be localized one day...some highly interesting games not being localized is one of the few weaknesses of the DS library imo.



okr on 19 November 2009

Thanks Soriku, great news! I'll update my DS wishlist then



sc94597 on 19 November 2009
okr said:
@sc94597: I only said that because I saw this discussion going on about PSN games being included but as I stated earlier I don't care which handheld has the better lineup and to be honest I'm not the biggest fan of these library vs. library threads anyway. I just came in here to post my opinion that both handhelds are great and have great libraries.

On a completely unrelated note, I still wished games like Soma Bringer or (at least the first) Inazuma Eleven would be localized one day...some highly interesting games not being localized is one of the few weaknesses of the DS library imo.

I was just mentioning my opinon on the idea. I agree though, these lineup threads aren't something that I am fond of either. I see people mentioning bias' getting in the way, well there is no other way to make a lineup thread. Either you are a fan of one side or not. It is all directly related to the person's opinion.



Onyxmeth on 19 November 2009
Procrastinato said:

You have basically proven my point.  I stated that the PSP and DS both have their own market (i.e. demographics), and that you have to heavily qualify a "beats" statement in order to make it even remotely true.

I can see by your profile (which I guess you keep pretty up-to-date ;)) that you do not own a PSP.

I play with a DS, but I choose not to own one.  I own, not one, but two PSPs (a 2000 and a Go) instead.

I could afford a DS if I wanted one.. quite easily.  But that's just it -- the multitude games on it are largely garbage in my eyes.  Only a couple of the RPGs you mentioned are even worth considering in my book, as real titles.  As I see it, the PSP wiped the floor with the DS this year, and I'm just as glad I own a PSP now, than I ever was.

You, on the other hand, own a DS.  You listed off a huge number of games there -- presumably you've played them all, and (despite some ugly ratings for some of them.. sorry, its true), you find them to be markedly superior to their PSP genre-counterparts.  You think the DS "beat" the PSP this year, and for you, it did.

Sounds like its just as I said.  PSP owners will say the PSP had a better lineup.  DS owners will say the DS had a better lineup.  Multiconsole owners will usually prefer one console to the other(s), and they'll say their favorite had the best lineup.  Of course.  People purchased these consoles, knowing what they were beforehand -- the PSP and DS are much like the PS3 and Wii, they just don't cater an even remotely as-similar crowd.  I would say that approximately 68.3% of the people you ask this question to will say the "DS won" and 31.7% will say the "PSP won".  Trying to figure out if one side, or the other "jumped ship" because of releases this year is an interesting question, but I doubt this VGChartz thread will answer it. =)

Regarding demographics, are you speaking of my final lines about sports games and racers? If we're going back to RPGs then I don't get the point of bringing it up. The same genres will breed the same demographics that want to play them. Neither console seems to be able to sell RPGs more remarkably well than the other, so it's easy to assume they have the same demographics purchasing RPGs. 

Regarding the ratings of the RPGs, they're ugly on both sides. I put every original RPG I could find that released this year on that list for both platforms, no exceptions.

I don't get your fascination with proving you play a DS, pointing out that I don't own a PSP, and questioning whether I've played every game in my lists. Is there a point to it? I never gave a personal opinion on each platform's RPG list, I just said the DS can easily counter the PSP's. I don't have much of a personal stake in the matter, since RPGs aren't really my thing in the first place. If you must know about my buying habits, I owned a PSP 2000 until early this year, when I sold it along with about 15 games towards the purchase of a PS3. I still don't get what that has to do with anything, but there you go.

I'm getting to the point where I don't know why you originally quoted me in my reply to leo-j the first place and put these multitude of arguments in my face like they all have something to do with me. They really don't. 



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outlawauron on 19 November 2009

As far as PS1 Classics and VC games, I don't think they should be included as PS3, Wii, or PSP titles. If you really wanted to start expanding, then the PSP definitely wins as you can easily get every SNES, NES, Genesis, Mega Drive, etc. game running on a PSP.

Whenever you start including all of those, it becomes a jumbled mess.



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Procrastinato on 19 November 2009
Onyxmeth said:
Procrastinato said:

You have basically proven my point.  I stated that the PSP and DS both have their own market (i.e. demographics), and that you have to heavily qualify a "beats" statement in order to make it even remotely true.

I can see by your profile (which I guess you keep pretty up-to-date ;)) that you do not own a PSP.

I play with a DS, but I choose not to own one.  I own, not one, but two PSPs (a 2000 and a Go) instead.

I could afford a DS if I wanted one.. quite easily.  But that's just it -- the multitude games on it are largely garbage in my eyes.  Only a couple of the RPGs you mentioned are even worth considering in my book, as real titles.  As I see it, the PSP wiped the floor with the DS this year, and I'm just as glad I own a PSP now, than I ever was.

You, on the other hand, own a DS.  You listed off a huge number of games there -- presumably you've played them all, and (despite some ugly ratings for some of them.. sorry, its true), you find them to be markedly superior to their PSP genre-counterparts.  You think the DS "beat" the PSP this year, and for you, it did.

Sounds like its just as I said.  PSP owners will say the PSP had a better lineup.  DS owners will say the DS had a better lineup.  Multiconsole owners will usually prefer one console to the other(s), and they'll say their favorite had the best lineup.  Of course.  People purchased these consoles, knowing what they were beforehand -- the PSP and DS are much like the PS3 and Wii, they just don't cater an even remotely as-similar crowd.  I would say that approximately 68.3% of the people you ask this question to will say the "DS won" and 31.7% will say the "PSP won".  Trying to figure out if one side, or the other "jumped ship" because of releases this year is an interesting question, but I doubt this VGChartz thread will answer it. =)

Regarding demographics, are you speaking of my final lines about sports games and racers? If we're going back to RPGs then I don't get the point of bringing it up. The same genres will breed the same demographics that want to play them. Neither console seems to be able to sell RPGs more remarkably well than the other, so it's easy to assume they have the same demographics purchasing RPGs. 

Regarding the ratings of the RPGs, they're ugly on both sides. I put every original RPG I could find that released this year on that list for both platforms, no exceptions.

I don't get your fascination with proving you play a DS, pointing out that I don't own a PSP, and questioning whether I've played every game in my lists. Is there a point to it? I never gave a personal opinion on each platform's RPG list, I just said the DS can easily counter the PSP's. I don't have much of a personal stake in the matter, since RPGs aren't really my thing in the first place. If you must know about my buying habits, I owned a PSP 2000 until early this year, when I sold it along with about 15 games towards the purchase of a PS3. I still don't get what that has to do with anything, but there you go.

I'm getting to the point where I don't know why you originally quoted me in my reply to leo-j the first place and put these multitude of arguments in my face like they all have something to do with me. They really don't. 

 

This quote, direct from you a few pages back, is what prompted me to jump in and defend the PSP's lineup, which I feel is very good:

Onyxmeth: "Not a single one of those games on either of your lists are in your gaming collection. Are you sure YOU'VE played them?"

You made an entire post out of that question, complete with huge quotation, as if you could actually "question" the worth of these games by attempting to derail someone's argument based on whether ot not they've spent the time to update their profile.  You're a moderator.  You, of all people, should realize that updating ones profile is a painful business when you have a lot of games (I sure know it), and frankly, this post of yours, as a contribution to this thread, was meaningless and frankly, kind of insulting to anyone who hasn't wasted their time by completing their profile.

So I decided to step in.  Because the games he mentioned are very good.  Excellent even, and if you look, and you don't need to look too hard, you'll see that reflected in their review scores -- especially relative to many of the DS games you brought up in subsequent followups.

I want you to justify your, in my opinion, outrageous post before its included in the discussion.  Confirm for me that an up-to-date profile is necessary for contribution to the discussion... or is posting such a question, instead, trolling?

Every one of my posts has been relative to the discussion, including this one, since I am interested in the discussion, and not in unreasonable nitpicking.  I don't appreciate the trolling, as a user of this board -- particularly not from a moderator, who should know better.



 

Onyxmeth on 20 November 2009
Procrastinato said:
Onyxmeth said:
Procrastinato said:

You have basically proven my point.  I stated that the PSP and DS both have their own market (i.e. demographics), and that you have to heavily qualify a "beats" statement in order to make it even remotely true.

I can see by your profile (which I guess you keep pretty up-to-date ;)) that you do not own a PSP.

I play with a DS, but I choose not to own one.  I own, not one, but two PSPs (a 2000 and a Go) instead.

I could afford a DS if I wanted one.. quite easily.  But that's just it -- the multitude games on it are largely garbage in my eyes.  Only a couple of the RPGs you mentioned are even worth considering in my book, as real titles.  As I see it, the PSP wiped the floor with the DS this year, and I'm just as glad I own a PSP now, than I ever was.

You, on the other hand, own a DS.  You listed off a huge number of games there -- presumably you've played them all, and (despite some ugly ratings for some of them.. sorry, its true), you find them to be markedly superior to their PSP genre-counterparts.  You think the DS "beat" the PSP this year, and for you, it did.

Sounds like its just as I said.  PSP owners will say the PSP had a better lineup.  DS owners will say the DS had a better lineup.  Multiconsole owners will usually prefer one console to the other(s), and they'll say their favorite had the best lineup.  Of course.  People purchased these consoles, knowing what they were beforehand -- the PSP and DS are much like the PS3 and Wii, they just don't cater an even remotely as-similar crowd.  I would say that approximately 68.3% of the people you ask this question to will say the "DS won" and 31.7% will say the "PSP won".  Trying to figure out if one side, or the other "jumped ship" because of releases this year is an interesting question, but I doubt this VGChartz thread will answer it. =)

Regarding demographics, are you speaking of my final lines about sports games and racers? If we're going back to RPGs then I don't get the point of bringing it up. The same genres will breed the same demographics that want to play them. Neither console seems to be able to sell RPGs more remarkably well than the other, so it's easy to assume they have the same demographics purchasing RPGs. 

Regarding the ratings of the RPGs, they're ugly on both sides. I put every original RPG I could find that released this year on that list for both platforms, no exceptions.

I don't get your fascination with proving you play a DS, pointing out that I don't own a PSP, and questioning whether I've played every game in my lists. Is there a point to it? I never gave a personal opinion on each platform's RPG list, I just said the DS can easily counter the PSP's. I don't have much of a personal stake in the matter, since RPGs aren't really my thing in the first place. If you must know about my buying habits, I owned a PSP 2000 until early this year, when I sold it along with about 15 games towards the purchase of a PS3. I still don't get what that has to do with anything, but there you go.

I'm getting to the point where I don't know why you originally quoted me in my reply to leo-j the first place and put these multitude of arguments in my face like they all have something to do with me. They really don't. 

 

This quote, direct from you a few pages back, is what prompted me to jump in and defend the PSP's lineup, which I feel is very good:

Onyxmeth: "Not a single one of those games on either of your lists are in your gaming collection. Are you sure YOU'VE played them?"

You made an entire post out of that question, complete with huge quotation I made an entire post out of my own question? With quotations? Quotations around what? Where is this post? , as if you could actually "question" the worth of these games by attempting to derail someone's argument based on whether ot not they've spent the time to update their profile. That wasn't even reoltely the intention. You're reading way too much into a single sentence. You're a moderator.  You, of all people, should realize that updating ones profile is a painful business when you have a lot of games (I sure know it) That's actually not a part of what being a moderator is about. I don't need to understand about updating ones' gaming collection anymore than anyone else here., and frankly, this post of yours, as a contribution to this thread, was meaningless and frankly, kind of insulting to anyone who hasn't wasted their time by completing their profile.

So I decided to step in.  Because the games he mentioned are very good. Excellent even, and if you look, and you don't need to look too hard, you'll see that reflected in their review scores -- especially relative to many of the DS games you brought up in subsequent followups.On the contrary the reviews favor the DS games. It doesn't matter to me, but your argument seems to hinge on something you're wrong about.

I want you to justify your, in my opinion, outrageous post before its included in the discussion.  Confirm for me that an up-to-date profile is necessary for contribution to the discussion It's not. It was just relevant because leo accused darth of not playing PSP games, so I accused him of not playing them. You're reading too much into the less important sentence about his profile. I just wanted to know whether he played the games at all. ... or is posting such a question, instead, trolling? I don't think so, but you're entitled to your opinion.

Every one of my posts has been relative to the discussion, including this one, since I am interested in the discussion, and not in unreasonable nitpicking.  I don't appreciate the trolling, as a user of this board -- particularly not from a moderator, who should know better.

So I say that to leo, because he called darth out on not playing the PSP games and being a hater, to show him it works both ways. He then confirms he hasn't played them, and that to you was trolling? It's trolling because I asked leo if he had played any of the games on the list because they aren't in his collection for me to confirm? That's a question sir, and one that leo was more than willing to answer. In fact I was a post past that talking to leo already, so why jump on the comment at all?

In fact, you didn't even address it in your original post to me. You just went on and on about things I never talked about to leo, and never once said anything about the comment at all. Me asking leo if he's played the games he's listing because he's accusing darth of not playing them is not me trashing the PSP library.

At this point, we're gotten far off-topic and I don't want it to continue, so unless you have something new and relative to say, since I have now explained my comment to you, go ahead, otherwise let's just leave it alone and go on in the thread our seperate ways.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 20 November 2009

Patapon is nice and original, but overall, with its very low attach ratio, PSP is a successful and expensive media player that can do games too. DS is from another planet, I guess Sony accepted it by now and is happy with decent HW sales, decent profit margin on HW, and SW royalties that are little more than meh thanks to the 50million+ user base that makes SW sales on the lower end of acceptable despite the low tie ratio. PSP will end its life as the third most successful portable and the most successful 2nd classified in its gen portable, a decent 2nd division success for the first portable made by Sony in a market that Nintendo always dominated without ever losing its secret recipe for overwhelming success.



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NSS7 on 20 November 2009

PSP of course.

Dissidia:Final Fantasy
Monster Hunter Freedom Unite
Persona
Soul Calibur: Broken Destiny
GT PSP
Disgaea 2
PSN - FFVII, MGS
LittleBigPlanet
GTA: Chinatown Wars
Tekken 6 (soon)
Naruto Shippuden Narutimate Accel 3 (soon)

Next year PSP lineup better than this year

Persona 3
Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker
Kingdom Heart: Birth by Sleep
Valkyria Chronicle 2
Tales of VS
Phantasy Star 2 Portable
Last Ranker
Final Fantasy XIII Agito (possibly)