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Avinash_Tyagi said:
@Netyaoze, ZorroX, Carl, Psrock, I'm just going to do this one bulk reply since the issue is the same with all of you
In order to reach 60 million PS3 needs to sell another 33.65 million, that means that from now, until November 2012, it needs to sell 11.21 million every year, I may be bad at predicting, but the figure doesn't seem to be in the PS3's favor, since last November, PS3 sold 10.4 million, so basically the PS3 would need to outperform the last 12 months by about 810K on average for three more years, since the slim's launch, it has sold about 3 million, even at that rate, it would still take nearly two years, so yeah, call me bad at predicting, but the math just isn't in the PS3's favor


but sales are gonna only increase fot the ps3 every year, cause it launched at such an expensive price. 60 million is easy if you ask me, atleast make it a challehnge! 70 million would be hard. by the end of 2010 it should be near the 45-50 million mark, end of 2011 it'll be close enough to 60 million. also i think it'll go down to $199 in 2011



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The PS3 has not sold in Europe (The biggest market next to NA both are pretty much the same) until 03/31/2007. The PS3 had during the Launch problems because they were not able to manufacture big amounts of BluRay Drives. You have to count after the Holidays then it will be 30 Mio that means until end 2012 PS3 needs to double the Sold Hardware it will be exactly 10 Mio Consoles per year. This means 10 Mio in 2010/2011/2012.

The PS3 reached the first 30 Mio despite it was delayed in Europe almost half a year. And it Launched at 499/599. For the most people the Playstation launched just 2 months ago because there were never able to pay such a high price. The PS3 is just right now on the highest massmarketprice which is possible.

In the first sales Wekk 2010 the PS3 will be at 30 Mio. 10 Mio a year thats 200k per average. Probably it will be sometimes lower but the last 2 months is like 50% of the year so even if it sell just 150k most of the time it will still manage to achieve 10 Mio LTD. Even if nothing would change. If the PS3 would sell like in the 399/499/599 Times it would still achiev the 60 Mio Until 2012. There is simply no chance that the PS3 wont sell under 60 Mio until 2012. If the sales trend goes on and the PS3 will peak in 2010 then it will be even more then 60 Mio. And LTD could end up significantly higher. The PS3 started just now its available since the last 2 months for most the people. Dont you think the PS3 will sell way more with a Price Tag of 199 then 599 ? If it sells less then it could be that the 60 Mio until 2012 wont happen but that is impossible in my eyes.

What has to happen that will be a prove for you that the PS3 will pass the 60 Mio until the end of 2012. If the PS3 will have 42 Mio 2011 will you change your mind ?


Lets take 4-5 Mio each Christmas. Then the PS3 could sell the rest of the year weekly 100-120k. And with every week it exceed this number the average goes down. 



SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
@Netyaoze, ZorroX, Carl, Psrock, I'm just going to do this one bulk reply since the issue is the same with all of you
In order to reach 60 million PS3 needs to sell another 33.65 million, that means that from now, until November 2012, it needs to sell 11.21 million every year, I may be bad at predicting, but the figure doesn't seem to be in the PS3's favor, since last November, PS3 sold 10.4 million, so basically the PS3 would need to outperform the last 12 months by about 810K on average for three more years, since the slim's launch, it has sold about 3 million, even at that rate, it would still take nearly two years, so yeah, call me bad at predicting, but the math just isn't in the PS3's favor


but sales are gonna only increase fot the ps3 every year, cause it launched at such an expensive price. 60 million is easy if you ask me, atleast make it a challehnge! 70 million would be hard. by the end of 2010 it should be near the 45-50 million mark, end of 2011 it'll be close enough to 60 million. also i think it'll go down to $199 in 2011

It would be a first, as most consoles peak after a few years then fall, so unless PS3 is able to buck that trend, it won't continue to increase



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

10 - 12 Million Max.



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Netyaroze said:

The PS3 has not sold in Europe (The biggest market next to NA both are pretty much the same) until 03/31/2007. The PS3 had during the Launch problems because they were not able to manufacture big amounts of BluRay Drives. You have to count after the Holidays then it will be 30 Mio that means until end 2012 PS3 needs to double the Sold Hardware it will be exactly 10 Mio Consoles per year. This means 10 Mio in 2010/2011/2012.

The PS3 reached the first 30 Mio despite it was delayed in Europe almost half a year. And it Launched at 499/599. For the most people the Playstation launched just 2 months ago because there were never able to pay such a high price. The PS3 is just right now on the highest massmarketprice which is possible.

In the first sales Wekk 2010 the PS3 will be at 30 Mio. 10 Mio a year thats 200k per average. Probably it will be sometimes lower but the last 2 months is like 50% of the year so even if it sell just 150k most of the time it will still manage to achieve 10 Mio LTD. Even if nothing would change. If the PS3 would sell like in the 399/499/599 Times it would still achiev the 60 Mio Until 2012. There is simply no chance that the PS3 wont sell under 60 Mio until 2012. If the sales trend goes on and the PS3 will peak in 2010 then it will be even more then 60 Mio. And LTD could end up significantly higher. The PS3 started just now its available since the last 2 months for most the people. Dont you think the PS3 will sell way more with a Price Tag of 199 then 599 ? If it sells less then it could be that the 60 Mio until 2012 wont happen but that is impossible in my eyes.

What has to happen that will be a prove for you that the PS3 will pass the 60 Mio until the end of 2012. If the PS3 will have 42 Mio 2011 will you change your mind ?


Lets take 4-5 Mio each Christmas. Then the PS3 could sell the rest of the year weekly 100-120k. And with every week it exceed this number the average goes down.

Again, you're assuming that sales will continue to stay at the same pace, that's not how its worked in the past, sales rise then decline, PS2 peaked in its third year, I doubt that PS3 will go much longer before peaking



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Well with crazzyman permabanned I guess someone had to take over the stupidly ridiculous predictions.



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No you think it peaked 2009 but it will peak 2010 and after that the sales will decline the peak year was almost always the third. The DS showed its not a given. The PS3 freezed in the first year because of the extremly high price. And was delayed in Europe. The PS3 will peak in 2010 you will be able to see that the numbers between january-March 2010 will be way higher WAY higher then 2009 at the time.

the PS3 just reached the mass market price 2 months ago that price was usually the entry price of consoles. The PS3 was just extremly expensive. You cant compare it to the last gen because almost every factor is completly different. The biggest games didnt even released. The biggest Games where a long time released during the peak years of the consoles the PS3 is just a delayed console. And its Sonys fault. Everything indicate that 2010 will PS3s peak year the first data which will prove it will be the numbers between January and March 2010 then you can extrapolate how the year will be for the PS3. the next year is the PS3 year. A tons of games launched PS Mote Launched the Price is finaly as high as the usual Launch Price.

And dont forget natal comes out in autumn PS Mote in Spring. And the games can barely be matched from MS. The PS3 has his strong period. And I guess that Christmas 2010 will be atleast as Christmas 2009 after a pricecut definetly. Combined with the better first 9 months it will be easily 13-14 Mio 2010. With a 50 Euro Price cut it could even exceed the numbers. The Console market is completly mixed up and bigger then ever before. The old rules how a console sells just dont apply anymore (atleast this gen) Console market has changed significantly with Wii.  

Thats the difference everybody can see the signs. if the first 3 months will be up YOY significantly you have to accept that we will be right. After that it will decline in 2011/2012 but from a higher plateau ifor example the PS3 sold 14 Mio in 2010 thats more then just likely its almost certain considering the games which will release the PS Mote and a probable price cut of 50 Dollar/Euro between September-December. Even if its slightly higher then this year it wil still beat easily the 60 mio LTD.


You see the difference is just a matter of opinions. And I think you wont accept the data from January-March 2010 that 2010 will be the peak year. Probably you will deny it until the middle of 2010 the first 3 months are more evidence then needed. Because every console which is sold more then 2009 has to made up with a lot lower sells in the months afterwards. That means the Weeks were around 150k and lower in 2009 at this time. If the PS3 manages to sell around 200k until the big games are releasing plus some giant boost in March due to the Games. We take just a mediocre number of 50-60k per week more then 2009. in 3 months its a plus of around 1 Mio additional sold consoles that means in the months after i were the PS3 sold 130k-150k the numbers would have to be around 70-90k. Thats the reason why I think the first 3 months are more then enough to prove that 2010 is the peak year of the PS3.

I can promise you that 2010 will be alot higher then 2009 dont forget the 6 months delay in Europe. I would even bet 100 Dollar on it.





^Even if it peaks in 2010, it still won't get to 60 million, first off 14 million in 2010, not too likely, as it would need to sell 270K on average weekly next year, that's a good deal higher than its been selling the last few months, so not very likely, and in 2011 and 2012 it would drop off meaning it wouldn't reach 60 million, and once the PS4 is announced, it will drop off fast, as its not the generation leader, and as a result, won't see long term support like the PS2 has seen.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)