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Boneitis on 14 November 2009

So I was having a wacky debate with Soriku. I was trying to prove most software sales on the Wii come from 1st party. This is what I came up with.

I just added up the 1st party published sales and subtracted with the total software sales according to this site. Obviously numbers aren't 100% accurate.

 

Wii
186 m - 1st Party
167 m - 3rd Party


360
53 m - 1st Party
218 m - 3rd Party


PS3
36 m - 1st Party
132 m - 3rd Party

 

Anyone disagree with these numbers? Other than Soriku.



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Boneitis on 14 November 2009
RolStoppable said:
A lot of people say that Wii Sports shouldn't count as software sale. Therefore these people will disagree with your conclusion.

But if you exclude Wii Sports and Wii Play the software sales won't have a huge advantage over 360 software sales. They won't be happy with that either.



Boneitis on 14 November 2009
RolStoppable said:
Boneitis said:
RolStoppable said:
A lot of people say that Wii Sports shouldn't count as software sale. Therefore these people will disagree with your conclusion.

But if you exclude Wii Sports and Wii Play the software sales won't have a huge advantage over 360 software sales. They won't be happy with that either.

The 360 is irrelevant to what you wanted to prove. You wanted to present evidence that most software sales on the Wii come from first party. You failed. Admit that you were wrong. You also owe Soriku an apology.

Haha, maybe you're missing part of the debate.

Soriku said Wii has the most software sales. I told him 1st party and bundling makes up most of that. He disagreed so I added them up.

Wii does have the most software sales for various reasons. But 1st party and bundling does make up more than half of the total.



kingofwale on 14 November 2009

lol. Only the most delusional fans would actually think Wii's third party is selling the same as PS360 third party games.



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Boneitis on 14 November 2009
kingofwale said:
lol. Only the most delusional fans would actually think Wii's third party is selling the same as PS360 third party games.

Prepare to meet several of them in this thread.



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psrock on 14 November 2009

This is the year it changes. EA already decided to release most of their games on the Wii for 2009 and the future.



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Boneitis on 14 November 2009
RolStoppable said:

Okay, I've found the thread in which you debated with Soriku and it made me laugh. Soriku actually believed that first party sales on the Wii are only about 1/3 of the total software.

And then I read your post where you stated it won't take too long until first party sales will account for 75 % of the total software sold. That made me laugh even harder. You are both silly.

Seriously, if the Wii is around for the life of the HD consoles. I believe 75% will account for Nintendo 1st party. Don't forget Wii Play and Wii Sports will continued to be bundled, old 1st parties games will be staples for the life of the Wii, and 3rd party support may decline.

Just my theory, doesn't seem impossible.



theRepublic on 14 November 2009
Boneitis said:
RolStoppable said:

Okay, I've found the thread in which you debated with Soriku and it made me laugh. Soriku actually believed that first party sales on the Wii are only about 1/3 of the total software.

And then I read your post where you stated it won't take too long until first party sales will account for 75 % of the total software sold. That made me laugh even harder. You are both silly.

Seriously, if the Wii is around for the life of the HD consoles. I believe 75% will account for Nintendo 1st party. Don't forget Wii Play and Wii Sports will continued to be bundled, old 1st parties games will be staples for the life of the Wii, and 3rd party support may decline.

Just my theory, doesn't seem impossible.

Nintendo software has been accounting for less of the total over time.  Not more.



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Boneitis on 14 November 2009
RolStoppable said:
Boneitis said:
RolStoppable said:

Okay, I've found the thread in which you debated with Soriku and it made me laugh. Soriku actually believed that first party sales on the Wii are only about 1/3 of the total software.

And then I read your post where you stated it won't take too long until first party sales will account for 75 % of the total software sold. That made me laugh even harder. You are both silly.

Seriously, if the Wii is around for the life of the HD consoles. I believe 75% will account for Nintendo 1st party. Don't forget Wii Play and Wii Sports will continued to be bundled, old 1st parties games will be staples for the life of the Wii, and 3rd party support may decline.

Just my theory, doesn't seem impossible.

I'll give you some maths.

Let's say third party sales stop at a total of 200m, that's only an additional 33m from now until the end of the Wii's lifespan. These 200m copies will only account for 25 % of the total software sold for the Wii according to your theory.

That leaves a total of 600m, or 414m of additional software sales for Nintendo. So in theory it would be 33m vs. 414m. Does that still look like a possible scenario to you? Remember, for every additional 1m of third party sales in this example, Nintendo would need to sell 3m games to end up with a 25:75 split.

Well we'll have to wait and see. We'll discuss it in 5 years.



Boneitis on 14 November 2009

^ Yeah, but then I got bored and took a nap.