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Boneitis on 14 November 2009
Soriku said:

No, because VGC sales include bundles. So basically, Nintendo's independant games + Nintendo games that are bundled = ~1/3 of total Wii SW.

Once again, I don't understand.

I'm including the numbers of everything Nintendo has published. Are you excluding games that aren't Nintendo IPs or something?



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Boneitis on 14 November 2009
Soriku said:
Boneitis said:
Soriku said:

No, because VGC sales include bundles. So basically, Nintendo's independant games + Nintendo games that are bundled = ~1/3 of total Wii SW.

Once again, I don't understand.

I'm including the numbers of everything Nintendo has published. Are you excluding games that aren't Nintendo IPs or something?

 

First party is Nintendo developed. So yeah, I'm excluding games like Professor Layton (not on the Wii but you get my point) because Nintendo may have published it but it's not their IP and it's not a first party game.

@hanafuda

Why would it be included?

But having Nintendo's support doesn't hurt sales at all. No?

When you get a chance and if you want, show me the number you come up with. I find it hard to believe it'll be about 1/3.



Boneitis on 14 November 2009
Soriku said:

Actually, my bad. I did some really crappy quick estimating at first, but the the split is closer to 1/2 which is about similar to the million seller graph I posted. We're missing some data for third party sales though. But third parties clearly take up more sales than Nintendo's games, even if it's not by that much.

We don't have proof, but lets say you're correct. Nintendo games sell in droves so if 1st party isn't over 50% yet. It's guaranteed to happen with the upcoming NSMBW, Mario Galaxy 2, and ofcourse the legs of games they've already released.



psrock on 14 November 2009
Soriku said:

Actually, my bad. I did some really crappy quick estimating at first, but the the split is closer to 1/2 which is about similar to the million seller graph I posted. We're missing some data for third party sales though. But third parties clearly take up more sales than Nintendo's games, even if it's not by that much.

Think about it for one second.

NSMB Wii

Mario GALAXY 2

Wiifit plus

New Zelda

Wii Sports Resort

 

3rd party has no chance at all to catch up. Nintendo just have too many big games.



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psrock on 14 November 2009
RolStoppable said:
psrock said:
Soriku said:

Actually, my bad. I did some really crappy quick estimating at first, but the the split is closer to 1/2 which is about similar to the million seller graph I posted. We're missing some data for third party sales though. But third parties clearly take up more sales than Nintendo's games, even if it's not by that much.

Think about it for one second.

NSMB Wii

Mario GALAXY 2

Wiifit plus

New Zelda

Wii Sports Resort

 

3rd party has no chance at all to catch up. Nintendo just have too many big games.

Or third parties have too few big games.

Stop complaining, you just got Modern Warfare the same week as the big boys, jeez.



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Boneitis on 14 November 2009
Soriku said:
Regardless, we can all agree that Nintendo games just sell so much better than any dev out there. So 50% of third party sales is great because it's about 150 mil sales or so from them.

Yep, but the Wii market is flooded and 3rd party sales is split between huge library of games.

Also I think the bargain bin is huge reason why 3rd party sales are even that high. It doesn't seem masses buy 3rd party games at their full price.



Kasz216 on 15 November 2009
outlawauron said:
jarrod said:
hanafuda said:
'3D Dot Game Heroes just came out, and showed us how a high quality niche game sells on PS3.  Not any better than Wii it turns out.The only real high budget Japanese 3rd party game we've seen on Wii was Monster Hunter 3 and it's outsold everything on the HD consoles so far.'.

Demon's Souls? VC?

Also, FF CC is a high budget JPN 3rd party Wii game.

Demon's Souls isn't 3rd party.  Valkyria Chronicles isn't really niche either (decent budget, big promotion, Sakura Taisen successor).

FFCC is pretty high budget, but it has a host of issues working against and probably would've flopped just as hard regardless of console.

No matter how much promotion a game receives, it's doesn't change what kind of game it is.

Valkyria Chronicles, even in your twisted world where it actually had advertising, will always be a niche game due to game itself.

Advertising worked for FF7 and the Final Fantasy series after that.

Advertising can make a game from a niche genre a popular game.

Up until 11.  Final Fantasy games were basically interchangeable with any other JRPG out there.  Yet FF sold a lot more simply due to the MASSIVE advertising blitz Sony paid for back in the FF7 days.

Advertising can make niche games huge... and they DEFINITLY can make niche games sell to more people who fit in that niche audience.



outlawauron on 15 November 2009
Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:
jarrod said:
hanafuda said:
'3D Dot Game Heroes just came out, and showed us how a high quality niche game sells on PS3.  Not any better than Wii it turns out.The only real high budget Japanese 3rd party game we've seen on Wii was Monster Hunter 3 and it's outsold everything on the HD consoles so far.'.

Demon's Souls? VC?

Also, FF CC is a high budget JPN 3rd party Wii game.

Demon's Souls isn't 3rd party.  Valkyria Chronicles isn't really niche either (decent budget, big promotion, Sakura Taisen successor).

FFCC is pretty high budget, but it has a host of issues working against and probably would've flopped just as hard regardless of console.

No matter how much promotion a game receives, it's doesn't change what kind of game it is.

Valkyria Chronicles, even in your twisted world where it actually had advertising, will always be a niche game due to game itself.

Advertising worked for FF7 and the Final Fantasy series after that.

Advertising can make a game from a niche genre a popular game.

Up until 11.  Final Fantasy games were basically interchangeable with any other JRPG out there.  Yet FF sold a lot more simply due to the MASSIVE advertising blitz Sony paid for back in the FF7 days.

Advertising can make niche games huge... and they DEFINITLY can make niche games sell to more people who fit in that niche audience.

Advertising can make a niche game sell more, I'm not denying that. But advertising doesn't make a niche game into a mainstream title.



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tedsteriscool on 15 November 2009

Wow, not good. Why can't Wii sell third party software? DS did it with Dragon Quest, so why not Wii with Final Fantasy..?



ClaudeLv250 on 15 November 2009

I imagine it's because it's not Final Fantasy XIII.



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