i'm sorry, i didn't catch that last part. i was too busy kicking behind in mk wii online :b

Whoa, sounds like a bit of PR there.
Seems kinda out of place to hype those two game tho...same year yes, but different time frames.

perhaps you are right about tc although it was a new ip, but struggling with 300k and calling it problematic is nowhere as a big issue as lets say, A boy and his blob and struggling with 20k. I mean you have to realize that the games from the third parties have entirely different markets. For instance, you claim to believe is quality-control application but its more gender:

Mario adventure will sell .
But madworld is not mario, is not so friendly, is black and white, is violent ,is VERY niche, is a new ip.Madworld is not Segas Mario. Is Segas Madworld. The closest thing Sega does in mario terms, is Sonic , And let me tell you , Sonic did darn fine outselling ps3 and 360 versions, getting to a milion.Sure not mario success(Sonic is not as famous as Mario), but boy it sold.Whats that ?3 millions?wow.
Same goes for No more heroes.Is not doing moderately ok for being Ubisoft the publisher or quality.What slashing mindless gory crazy anime game has Nintendo done on the wii?none.Theres no counterpart.

Ima be honest with you.If nintendo goes and publishes/makes mature games ,they wont succed more than EA or ubisoft. Case in mind, Disaster.Hell Disaster failed worse than Madworld(and was worse than it or NMH).Case in mind, Fatal Frame 4. Nintendo decided that game woudnt be succesful already and called it out on NA just like Disaster.

And when nintendo releases a game in the same genre as the third party competition (Prime), surprise, sales of Red steel (1.2 mil), COD (1.3,1,2), match it.

Muramasa is 2d scroller and wont be too surprising to catch nintendos 2d scroller, wario shake it!, over time.

Not that prime did bad numbers(1.5?) but that goes to show that when it comes to out of mario bounds, nintendo has no advantage.For instance, EA active already sold terribly well. The case where your statement applies is in stuff like mario kart clones, mario party clones and mario anything clones. Third parties dont have Marios hook and wont ever get the sucess of Mario without it.Also, in said cases, is true the quality is inferior,but thats a given, since cloning nintendo games is already a proof of lazyness.

the gamers that complain about third party games or core games also are the ones not even buying first party ones(disaster was a disaster).

Whoa, okay, your argument is kind of all over the place.

First of all, Nintendo could do fine if they wanted to make a 'Mature themed game'.  But they don't.  They make games for 'all audiences'.  Since both Disaster and Fatal Frame were just 'Published' by Nintendo, and produced by other studios (Monolith and Tecmo), they didn't have much control over how well they did other than releasing them.  If Nintendo themselves (meaning their internal studios like EAD, R&D1, etc) wanted to make a 'mature' themed game, they could do it just as well as their other titles.  But that's not their way.

And as much as I love Muramasa, its never going to catch Warioland: Shake It in sales.  It just doesn't have the name brand recognition the Warioland titles have, and Muramasa had next to no advertising aside from a few online ads.

And yes its true that stuff like gender and target markets play a role in how a game sells.  But more important, ESPECIALLY to the American market, are the two biggest factors.  Advertising and graphics.  Frankly the two aspects the Wii doesn't have.  And why the majority of the games, aside from Nintendo titles, don't sell.  While Nintendo banked on this generation being defined by 'new markets' and won, they didn't take into account that a lot of gamers would also embrace things like graphics.  And the Wii is far behind the other systems in graphics.  Third Parties are using the HD systems to cater to the graphics happy, media savy gamer who wants more, more, more.  While the Wii....get's the other games which have more unique games...but not necessarily always good.

Just wait until The Conduit 2

No, MW ain't has splitscreen either.

Wii hyped the worng game? Impossible we are always right.

TC was an excellent technical game that easily stands shoulders with HD games(effects wise only, Wii lesser memory puts texture limitations that are significant difference). From a technical perspective not a power perspective. TC is still pretty much the best technicly designed game on the Wii. Technicly designed games don't necessarily means a good game though. It also pretty much shamed other developers efforts who lacklusters many attempts. It's thanks to the TC that Reflex controls are "better"(I haven't played it yet). If TC was never released Reflex developers probably wouldn't have put so much effort into it's design.

So the hype was well deserved. If not for being a triple A(I HATED the level design), but instead for getting designers to put more effort. Let's hope Monster Hunter Tri, FFCC, ToGrace? Metroid get the Japanese developers into gear.

I agree.

Wii owners should have hyped Spy Games: Elevator Mission. That game has unlimited replayability. If you don't believe me, look at the back of the game's case.

We can hype as many games as we want. Publishers would love it if we hype every game, and I have no regrets about getting hyped for The Conduit. It's a good game, and it had potential to be great. It's like they slaked off after they had a publisher and didn't go back and polish off earlier levels, but overall it's worth it. if for no other reason than lack of decent competition...

For people that like The Conduit a lot and thinks it deserved the hype because it is a lot of fun, and also have reflex... is reflex worth it? Does it have the same fun factor? Generally I prefer bright alien sci-fi to realistic, so that is a plus to The Conduit for me over reflex...

Obviously people who prefer realistic art style will bias toward reflex. However, is it everyone?