dobby985 said: dunno001 said: dobby985 said: dunno001 said: Hmm... I seem to be in the minority thinking that it will sell more on the 360, even if not by much. I'm seeing about a 1.2:1 ratio favoring the 360, which also gives the PS3 a higher attach rate. However, the overhyping for this game will lead to extra 360 sales from the sheer userbase of the console. wanna make a bet? winner controls loser sig or whatever. Not particularly. I'm not a big fan of betting myself. I also can see this going either way. What I mentioned is merely what my gut thinks, but I'd not be overly shocked to see it go the other way. That is now what you said in your original post and you are clearly chickening out. No suprises there! xD

Try again. I'm not a fanboy. I call things as I see them. And I stand by what I said in my posts- put them together, and they DO line up. What I think is that the 360 will outsell the PS3 in the 1.2:1 ratio that I specified. However, I also acknowledge that there are several factors that could swing in the way I'm not expecting them to. This leads to my saying that I would not be surprised- I know that they are an estimated guess, and nothing more.

As for betting, I personally think the concept is stupid in general, regardless of how I feel about my prediction. I value my name, and while I can admit when I make a mistake, I will never let said mistake allow someone to use my name to smear something I believe in or promote something I don't. Trying to accuse me of "chickening out" for having a different mindset on betting, coupled with trying to accuse me of changing my stance is rather immature. Nothing is set in stone. Look up the really old Wii Fit prediction thread to see how far off some people can be. (And I will say openly that I never would have predicted its current sales then either.)

Okay, that aside, actual number predictions. (All numbers are NA only.) First week will see about 1.2 million on the 360 and 1 million on PS3. (This holds to my ratio.) Lifetime numbers will be a different story, however, as I see the better PS3 ratio also leading to more frontloading. I think lifetime sales will land closer to the actual system ratios, helped by the large number of RPGs on the 360. Lifetime will put the 360 at a bit over 2 million, maybe 2.1-2.2m or so. PS3 will see sales about 1.5-1.6m total. Again, though, there are so many variables that could make these numbers off. Marketting will be the biggest wildcard; I expect to see MS doing some marketting for FF13. Sony will also, but not to the same extent. (MS will market price, Sony will target a pairing with Vs13.)

loves2splooge said: I think the perceived demand for Japanese games on the Xbox 360 in North America is underrated. In NA sales, SF4 sold more on 360 (0.81m vs 0.76m), RE5 sold more on 360 (1.45m vs 0.99m) and DMC4 sold more on 360 (0.75m vs 0.51m). There may be more Japanese multiplats that I'm overlooking that fit this pattern but I really don't feel like searching. lol. And yet the PS fanboys had the audacity to rage when DMC4 went multi-plat, saying that the fanbase was all on PS. lol. Also keep in mind that the best selling hd jrpg this gen to date is a Xbox 360 exclusive (Lost Odyssey). With the $299 PS3 slim momentum, even if it may slow down by spring, I think FF13 will sell more on PS3 BUT the sales for the 360 version are going to be bigger than people would assume. I don't think the gap will be large in North America. Final Fantasy 13 doesn't have the control issue like Tekken 6 and Blazblue (most fighting game fans prefer Dualshock D-Pads to 360 Analogs. Do you really need a Dualshock D-Pad to navigate menus in FF13? No. Navigating menus in Lost Odyssey wasn`t a problem at all.) and it is probably one of the more MAINSTREAM'D Japanese games out there on the PS360. Out of all the Japanese games on the 360, this would be one of the more appealing ones to the mainstream 360 gamer. FF13 will sell well on the 360. To automatically think, "360 fans don't buy jrpgs and Japanese games, they only like shooters. lulz" is absurd and even though the figures consistently debunk this myth, you can't stop hearing this myth being told over and over again. The Xbox 360 just can't get the respect it deserves from Japanocentric fanboys who have this idea that "Japan = superior, American console = inferior". They came a long way when it comes to the Japanese software front but they aren't going to get respect from those who feel that saying favorable things about an American console loses them e-cred in their e-social circle.

Just one thing I'd like to address: The PS3 hasn't really had any worthwhile JRPGs release in the West, except VC, which is an SRPG, anyway. The 360 has had several. Lost Odyssey is made by Square Enix. The PS3 has had one SE game so far, and it was a downloadable Tower Defence game.

But you're right, the game will sell well on 360, just not as well as on PS3.

I think the 360 version will be very close.

Aion said: I think the 360 version will be very close.

The 360 version will sell but it won't be close at all. I mean there will be a big gap between the PS3 and 360 in NA/EU regions. And if you're including Japan sales, the worldwide gap will be even bigger, hence PS3 version dominating 360 verision.

 

 

Oh come on, no way will the xbox 360 version sell more, you only have to look at the history for sales or rpg's on the xbox 360 to know that not even the great ffxiii will sell well on the xbox, they are more interseted in other games.
Also every rpg that has been ported from the xbox to the ps3 has sold more than the xbox 360 version, if this does not prove my point then nothing will.
Finally FFXIII is exclusive in japan to ps3, the sales there will be huge, xbox 360 can not stand against this, and hopefully the sales will convice S-E to return to developing just for the platforms which are really interested in their products (PS3 and Wii).

jneul said: Oh come on, no way will the xbox 360 version sell more, you only have to look at the history for sales or rpg's on the xbox 360 to know that not even the great ffxiii will sell well on the xbox, they are more interseted in other games. Also every rpg that has been ported from the xbox to the ps3 has sold more than the xbox 360 version, if this does not prove my point then nothing will. Finally FFXIII is exclusive in japan to ps3, the sales there will be huge, xbox 360 can not stand against this, and hopefully the sales will convice S-E to return to developing just for the platforms which are really interested in their products (PS3 and Wii).

Just like Lost Odyssey didn't sell well on the Xbox 360 right? 810,000 for a new IP, 450,000 of that is from Americas. That's pretty darn good for a new IP. *starts sarcastic tone* Oh man the best selling PS3 jrpg to date (Valkyria Chronicles) totally pwnd Lost Odyssey in sales. Japanese devs really need to throw in the towel when it comes to 360 development huh? *ends sarcasm*

The 360 version sales will not beat the PS3 versions sales in Americas (for those that don't already have a next-gen console, Versus will sway them to the PS3.) but the sales will surprise people. Like I've mentioned before, you can't generalize from Tekken 6 because that is a fighting game and fighting game fans are bigger fans of the Dualshock D-Pad than the 360 analog or D-Pad. Do you really need a Dualshock D-Pad to navigate through menus? I can do that just fine in Lost Odyssey. And anyone that complains about multiple discs obviously hasn't been a jrpg player for very long (plenty of them are on the PS1). It won't kill you to swap discs 3 times (as I did with Lost Odyssey, FF8, FF9) throughout the total course of the game.

And like I said before,there IS demand for Japanese games on the 360. As proved by Resident Evil 5, Devil May Cry 4, Street Fighter 4 sales in the Americas. These are all series that were big on the PS2. So that PS2 userbase -> PS3 argument doesn't fly either. Many 360 owners have/have had PS2s. Who would have thought that these games would sell more on 360 than PS3 in Americas? No one would have dreamed of that a generation ago. PS3 fanboys need to stop perpetuating this myth that the 360 userbase doesn't have interest in jrpgs. The numbers tell a different story. You can't say there is no interest among the base when about 700k westerners (810k ww minus the 100-110k for jp sales) bought a new IP jrpg in Lost Odyssey.

 

JaggedSac said: Citan said: Hope for ms sake that it will sell something considering the massive amount they payed Square for having the game on xbox. How much did they pay?

1 MILLION DOLLARS!

 

Well, people forget many the marketing factor. In the end this will be what determinate the game first month, legs will be determinate by quality converting in word of mouth. FFXIII WILL have a huge marketing campaign. S-E CEO stated that they will be sure that EVERYONE will know about this game(little exaggeration), MS stated that they will make consumers think
Final Fantasy XIII = Xbox 360 in America

Sony have it as one of the biggest games to release next year, and there's a chance of exclusive bundling for ps3 in america like MW2 did with 360(talk about favoritism of Activision).

I DO expect marketing in the same levels of GTA 4/Halo 3/FFVII, since this game have the "mission" of regenerate FF series that are decaying in sales and quality every new release, and regenerate JRPG genre like whole, since sales for that genre are dying in West. Resuming, this game is promised to have the same impact of FF VII, FFVII reincarnation.

Kantor said: loves2splooge said: I think the perceived demand for Japanese games on the Xbox 360 in North America is underrated. In NA sales, SF4 sold more on 360 (0.81m vs 0.76m), RE5 sold more on 360 (1.45m vs 0.99m) and DMC4 sold more on 360 (0.75m vs 0.51m). There may be more Japanese multiplats that I'm overlooking that fit this pattern but I really don't feel like searching. lol. And yet the PS fanboys had the audacity to rage when DMC4 went multi-plat, saying that the fanbase was all on PS. lol. Also keep in mind that the best selling hd jrpg this gen to date is a Xbox 360 exclusive (Lost Odyssey). With the $299 PS3 slim momentum, even if it may slow down by spring, I think FF13 will sell more on PS3 BUT the sales for the 360 version are going to be bigger than people would assume. I don't think the gap will be large in North America. Final Fantasy 13 doesn't have the control issue like Tekken 6 and Blazblue (most fighting game fans prefer Dualshock D-Pads to 360 Analogs. Do you really need a Dualshock D-Pad to navigate menus in FF13? No. Navigating menus in Lost Odyssey wasn`t a problem at all.) and it is probably one of the more MAINSTREAM'D Japanese games out there on the PS360. Out of all the Japanese games on the 360, this would be one of the more appealing ones to the mainstream 360 gamer. FF13 will sell well on the 360. To automatically think, "360 fans don't buy jrpgs and Japanese games, they only like shooters. lulz" is absurd and even though the figures consistently debunk this myth, you can't stop hearing this myth being told over and over again. The Xbox 360 just can't get the respect it deserves from Japanocentric fanboys who have this idea that "Japan = superior, American console = inferior". They came a long way when it comes to the Japanese software front but they aren't going to get respect from those who feel that saying favorable things about an American console loses them e-cred in their e-social circle. Just one thing I'd like to address: The PS3 hasn't really had any worthwhile JRPGs release in the West, except VC, which is an SRPG, anyway. The 360 has had several. Lost Odyssey is made by Square Enix. The PS3 has had one SE game so far, and it was a downloadable Tower Defence game. But you're right, the game will sell well on 360, just not as well as on PS3.

Erm Lost Odyssey is a Mistwalker production, not Square Enix.

loves2splooge said: jneul said: Oh come on, no way will the xbox 360 version sell more, you only have to look at the history for sales or rpg's on the xbox 360 to know that not even the great ffxiii will sell well on the xbox, they are more interseted in other games. Also every rpg that has been ported from the xbox to the ps3 has sold more than the xbox 360 version, if this does not prove my point then nothing will. Finally FFXIII is exclusive in japan to ps3, the sales there will be huge, xbox 360 can not stand against this, and hopefully the sales will convice S-E to return to developing just for the platforms which are really interested in their products (PS3 and Wii). Just like Lost Odyssey didn't sell well on the Xbox 360 right? 810,000 for a new IP, 450,000 of that is from Americas. That's pretty darn good for a new IP. *starts sarcastic tone* Oh man the best selling PS3 jrpg to date (Valkyria Chronicles) totally pwnd Lost Odyssey in sales. Japanese devs really need to throw in the towel when it comes to 360 development huh? *ends sarcasm* The 360 version sales will not beat the PS3 versions sales in Americas (for those that don't already have a next-gen console, Versus will sway them to the PS3.) but the sales will surprise people. Like I've mentioned before, you can't generalize from Tekken 6 because that is a fighting game and fighting game fans are bigger fans of the Dualshock D-Pad than the 360 analog or D-Pad. Do you really need a Dualshock D-Pad to navigate through menus? I can do that just fine in Lost Odyssey. And anyone that complains about multiple discs obviously hasn't been a jrpg player for very long (plenty of them are on the PS1). It won't kill you to swap discs 3 times (as I did with Lost Odyssey, FF8, FF9) throughout the total course of the game. And like I said before,there IS demand for Japanese games on the 360. As proved by Resident Evil 5, Devil May Cry 4, Street Fighter 4 sales in the Americas. These are all series that were big on the PS2. So that PS2 userbase -> PS3 argument doesn't fly either. Many 360 owners have/have had PS2s. Who would have thought that these games would sell more on 360 than PS3 in Americas? No one would have dreamed of that a generation ago. PS3 fanboys need to stop perpetuating this myth that the 360 userbase doesn't have interest in jrpgs. The numbers tell a different story. You can't say there is no interest among the base when about 700k westerners (810k ww minus the 100-110k for jp sales) bought a new IP jrpg in Lost Odyssey.

I must admit Lost Odysee had good sales, but this was not made by S-E, it was made by mistwalker, all the other RPG's done fon the xbox 360 have not faired as well as they should have, a good example id Star Ocean The Last Remnant and Star Ocean 4 should have sold alot more copies than it has, these are well known IP's and should have sold far better S-E is currently suffering becausee of it's development choices.

A good example of my argument is TOV it sold 255k on day one, and is sitting at 0.32m (with only Japan sales), so its only around 0.12m behind the x360 version despite it being out for less time