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Noobie on 06 November 2009

can any one post this week Dengeki hardware n software numbers also.



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Xoj on 06 November 2009
jarrod said:
Egghead said:
jarrod said:
Egghead said:
samus aran rules said:
Egghead said:
Nice one PS3, HD has now retaken Japan!


It certainly never had taken Japan before and it has not to this day either. Portables own Japan and they sure are not HD. Besides Wii is still way ahead of PS3 despite the very good sales of the slimversion.

Alright, let me rephrase that, CORE HOME CONSOLES have retaken Japan with CASUAL HOME VIDEOGAME TOYS are (is) on their way down.


The HD userbase is now 5 million, compared to Wiis 8.5 million. Even the PS3 on its own is showing greater third-party sales, heck even the 360 is beating it on smaller titles!

Seems odd given the best selling 3rd party CORE HOME CONSOLE GAME so far this year is on the CASUAL HOME VIDEOGAME TOY. :P

True the HD systems generally have better 3rd party sales, but then they also generally get the better 3rd party content.  Hard not to make a connection there, especially when the few times Wii does get an attractive 3rd party brand (DQ Swords, Monster Hunter, Taiko, etc) they sell like crazy.

Orite you got me there, and im sorry if i was being a bit aggressive, because most people here come up with absolutely ridiculous arguments. Honestly, i cant remember the last time a Wii game flopped in Japan, its always somehow this or that.

With that said, while it sold well, given the popularity of the franchise and the Wii userbase, it shouldve sold 1.5 million AT LEAST. People will say its not as good on a console, but the fact is, Wii owners in Japan just arent serious gamers. I mean just look at how many games from mid-sized developers that have sold numbers that even the 360 could beat.

Im willing to bet Sin and Punishment wouldve sold 50k on the 360 given Treasures name. Its not impossible given other shooters on it have reached the milestone.

It outsold the PS2 games, hell MHG Wii even outsold the PS2 version.  Granted that was before the franchise hit the big time on PSP, but the game is at least consistent with Capcom's expectations so far and it's actually beating expectations on the online subscriptions.  Then there's also Taiko and the DQ spinoff, which both sold consistently with comparable PS2 entries.  Plus Capcom's Wii Biohazard shooters have far outsold their PS2 counterparts.

On Wii, established brands usually sell, new brands usually flop.  That's generally the way it goes on all platforms actually, the only reason the HD consoles have generally better 3rd party sales is because they have generally better established 3rd party brands.  If we bring 1st party into it though (as you did with S&P) Wii software sales murder HD consoles.

Also, Treasure's never sold 50k in Japan on an shooter.  Fat chance it'd happen on 360, especially with a rail shooter... Panzer Orta didn't even break 50k on the original Xbox and that was a series that sold 500k+ on Saturn. :P

the game got popular recently. mainly because PSP and train stations. and it carried aaway for the wii, if the ps2 got monster hunter tri, u could have seen similar sales or even better sales than the wii.

and likely a monster hunter freedom 3 will out sell mh3.



samus aran rules on 06 November 2009
Egghead said:
samus aran rules said:
Egghead said:
Nice one PS3, HD has now retaken Japan!


It certainly never had taken Japan before and it has not to this day either. Portables own Japan and they sure are not HD. Besides Wii is still way ahead of PS3 despite the very good sales of the slimversion.

Alright, let me rephrase that, CORE HOME CONSOLES have retaken Japan with CASUAL HOME VIDEOGAME TOYS are (is) on their way down.


The HD userbase is now 5 million, compared to Wiis 8.5 million. Even the PS3 on its own is showing greater third-party sales, heck even the 360 is beating it on smaller titles!


I don´t know why I respond to this. If it makes you happy to judge sales when it fits to your tastes then by all means do that. It wont change the reality in Japan though and that is that the so called "casual" home console is still having a huge lead over the "core" consoles.

But all that is laughably nonimportant as Japan is (like I said) a portable country (more to the point a DS country). DS rules Japan and all others except with the possible exceptions of Wii and PSP are not big enough to mention if one are discussing sales. The two systems that you say are taking Japan are the two smallest. Ironic.



jarrod on 06 November 2009
Xoj said:
jarrod said:
Egghead said:
jarrod said:
Egghead said:
samus aran rules said:
Egghead said:
Nice one PS3, HD has now retaken Japan!


It certainly never had taken Japan before and it has not to this day either. Portables own Japan and they sure are not HD. Besides Wii is still way ahead of PS3 despite the very good sales of the slimversion.

Alright, let me rephrase that, CORE HOME CONSOLES have retaken Japan with CASUAL HOME VIDEOGAME TOYS are (is) on their way down.


The HD userbase is now 5 million, compared to Wiis 8.5 million. Even the PS3 on its own is showing greater third-party sales, heck even the 360 is beating it on smaller titles!

Seems odd given the best selling 3rd party CORE HOME CONSOLE GAME so far this year is on the CASUAL HOME VIDEOGAME TOY. :P

True the HD systems generally have better 3rd party sales, but then they also generally get the better 3rd party content.  Hard not to make a connection there, especially when the few times Wii does get an attractive 3rd party brand (DQ Swords, Monster Hunter, Taiko, etc) they sell like crazy.

Orite you got me there, and im sorry if i was being a bit aggressive, because most people here come up with absolutely ridiculous arguments. Honestly, i cant remember the last time a Wii game flopped in Japan, its always somehow this or that.

With that said, while it sold well, given the popularity of the franchise and the Wii userbase, it shouldve sold 1.5 million AT LEAST. People will say its not as good on a console, but the fact is, Wii owners in Japan just arent serious gamers. I mean just look at how many games from mid-sized developers that have sold numbers that even the 360 could beat.

Im willing to bet Sin and Punishment wouldve sold 50k on the 360 given Treasures name. Its not impossible given other shooters on it have reached the milestone.

It outsold the PS2 games, hell MHG Wii even outsold the PS2 version.  Granted that was before the franchise hit the big time on PSP, but the game is at least consistent with Capcom's expectations so far and it's actually beating expectations on the online subscriptions.  Then there's also Taiko and the DQ spinoff, which both sold consistently with comparable PS2 entries.  Plus Capcom's Wii Biohazard shooters have far outsold their PS2 counterparts.

On Wii, established brands usually sell, new brands usually flop.  That's generally the way it goes on all platforms actually, the only reason the HD consoles have generally better 3rd party sales is because they have generally better established 3rd party brands.  If we bring 1st party into it though (as you did with S&P) Wii software sales murder HD consoles.

Also, Treasure's never sold 50k in Japan on an shooter.  Fat chance it'd happen on 360, especially with a rail shooter... Panzer Orta didn't even break 50k on the original Xbox and that was a series that sold 500k+ on Saturn. :P

the game got popular recently. mainly because PSP and train stations. and it carried aaway for the wii, if the ps2 got monster hunter tri, u could have seen similar sales or even better sales than the wii.

and likely a monster hunter freedom 3 will out sell mh3.

Naw, PS2 can't carry software sales like it used to in Japan.  MH3 would've done well there, but not as well as it did on Wii.  Plus it wouldn't get the sort of ambitious western push Nintendo's planning, which is probably the real reason the franchise moved over.

MHF3 will definitely outsell MH3 though, probably by like 3 to 1.  Hell, I think that Felyne Villiage spinoff might outsell MH3 too depending on what it is exactly.  I wonder if the inevitable MH3G on Wii will outsell the original release though?



outlawauron on 06 November 2009
jarrod said:
It outsold the PS2 games, hell MHG Wii even outsold the PS2 version.  Granted that was before the franchise hit the big time on PSP, but the game is at least consistent with Capcom's expectations so far and it's actually beating expectations on the online subscriptions.  Then there's also Taiko and the DQ spinoff, which both sold consistently with comparable PS2 entries.  Plus Capcom's Wii Biohazard shooters have far outsold their PS2 counterparts.

On Wii, established brands usually sell, new brands usually flop.  That's generally the way it goes on all platforms actually, the only reason the HD consoles have generally better 3rd party sales is because they have generally better established 3rd party brands.  If we bring 1st party into it though (as you did with S&P) Wii software sales murder HD consoles.

Also, Treasure's never sold 50k in Japan on an shooter.  Fat chance it'd happen on 360, especially with a rail shooter... Panzer Orta didn't even break 50k on the original Xbox and that was a series that sold 500k+ on Saturn. :P

I'm not saying it's a flop or anything, but MH3 has a while to go in order to meet the expectations for Monster Hunter 3.



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jarrod on 06 November 2009
outlawauron said:
jarrod said:
It outsold the PS2 games, hell MHG Wii even outsold the PS2 version.  Granted that was before the franchise hit the big time on PSP, but the game is at least consistent with Capcom's expectations so far and it's actually beating expectations on the online subscriptions.  Then there's also Taiko and the DQ spinoff, which both sold consistently with comparable PS2 entries.  Plus Capcom's Wii Biohazard shooters have far outsold their PS2 counterparts.

On Wii, established brands usually sell, new brands usually flop.  That's generally the way it goes on all platforms actually, the only reason the HD consoles have generally better 3rd party sales is because they have generally better established 3rd party brands.  If we bring 1st party into it though (as you did with S&P) Wii software sales murder HD consoles.

Also, Treasure's never sold 50k in Japan on an shooter.  Fat chance it'd happen on 360, especially with a rail shooter... Panzer Orta didn't even break 50k on the original Xbox and that was a series that sold 500k+ on Saturn. :P

I'm not saying it's a flop or anything, but MH3 has a while to go in order to meet the expectations for Monster Hunter 3.

Japan's doing fine though, even exceeding Capcom's expectations for online subscriptions already.  The real test will be in the west, where Nintendo's going to be pushing it themselves.



Xoj on 06 November 2009
jarrod said:
Xoj said:
jarrod said:
Egghead said:
jarrod said:
Egghead said:
samus aran rules said:
Egghead said:
Nice one PS3, HD has now retaken Japan!


It certainly never had taken Japan before and it has not to this day either. Portables own Japan and they sure are not HD. Besides Wii is still way ahead of PS3 despite the very good sales of the slimversion.

Alright, let me rephrase that, CORE HOME CONSOLES have retaken Japan with CASUAL HOME VIDEOGAME TOYS are (is) on their way down.


The HD userbase is now 5 million, compared to Wiis 8.5 million. Even the PS3 on its own is showing greater third-party sales, heck even the 360 is beating it on smaller titles!

Seems odd given the best selling 3rd party CORE HOME CONSOLE GAME so far this year is on the CASUAL HOME VIDEOGAME TOY. :P

True the HD systems generally have better 3rd party sales, but then they also generally get the better 3rd party content.  Hard not to make a connection there, especially when the few times Wii does get an attractive 3rd party brand (DQ Swords, Monster Hunter, Taiko, etc) they sell like crazy.

Orite you got me there, and im sorry if i was being a bit aggressive, because most people here come up with absolutely ridiculous arguments. Honestly, i cant remember the last time a Wii game flopped in Japan, its always somehow this or that.

With that said, while it sold well, given the popularity of the franchise and the Wii userbase, it shouldve sold 1.5 million AT LEAST. People will say its not as good on a console, but the fact is, Wii owners in Japan just arent serious gamers. I mean just look at how many games from mid-sized developers that have sold numbers that even the 360 could beat.

Im willing to bet Sin and Punishment wouldve sold 50k on the 360 given Treasures name. Its not impossible given other shooters on it have reached the milestone.

It outsold the PS2 games, hell MHG Wii even outsold the PS2 version.  Granted that was before the franchise hit the big time on PSP, but the game is at least consistent with Capcom's expectations so far and it's actually beating expectations on the online subscriptions.  Then there's also Taiko and the DQ spinoff, which both sold consistently with comparable PS2 entries.  Plus Capcom's Wii Biohazard shooters have far outsold their PS2 counterparts.

On Wii, established brands usually sell, new brands usually flop.  That's generally the way it goes on all platforms actually, the only reason the HD consoles have generally better 3rd party sales is because they have generally better established 3rd party brands.  If we bring 1st party into it though (as you did with S&P) Wii software sales murder HD consoles.

Also, Treasure's never sold 50k in Japan on an shooter.  Fat chance it'd happen on 360, especially with a rail shooter... Panzer Orta didn't even break 50k on the original Xbox and that was a series that sold 500k+ on Saturn. :P

the game got popular recently. mainly because PSP and train stations. and it carried aaway for the wii, if the ps2 got monster hunter tri, u could have seen similar sales or even better sales than the wii.

and likely a monster hunter freedom 3 will out sell mh3.

Naw, PS2 can't carry software sales like it used to in Japan.  MH3 would've done well there, but not as well as it did on Wii.  Plus it wouldn't get the sort of ambitious western push Nintendo's planning, which is probably the real reason the franchise moved over.

MHF3 will definitely outsell MH3 though, probably by like 3 to 1.  Hell, I think that Felyne Villiage spinoff might outsell MH3 too depending on what it is exactly.  I wonder if the inevitable MH3G on Wii will outsell the original release though?

well probably not now but it's prime time, if monster hunter was popular ps2 should have carried mh tri better.



jarrod on 06 November 2009
Xoj said:
jarrod said:
Xoj said:
jarrod said:
Egghead said:
jarrod said:
Egghead said:
samus aran rules said:
Egghead said:
Nice one PS3, HD has now retaken Japan!


It certainly never had taken Japan before and it has not to this day either. Portables own Japan and they sure are not HD. Besides Wii is still way ahead of PS3 despite the very good sales of the slimversion.

Alright, let me rephrase that, CORE HOME CONSOLES have retaken Japan with CASUAL HOME VIDEOGAME TOYS are (is) on their way down.


The HD userbase is now 5 million, compared to Wiis 8.5 million. Even the PS3 on its own is showing greater third-party sales, heck even the 360 is beating it on smaller titles!

Seems odd given the best selling 3rd party CORE HOME CONSOLE GAME so far this year is on the CASUAL HOME VIDEOGAME TOY. :P

True the HD systems generally have better 3rd party sales, but then they also generally get the better 3rd party content.  Hard not to make a connection there, especially when the few times Wii does get an attractive 3rd party brand (DQ Swords, Monster Hunter, Taiko, etc) they sell like crazy.

Orite you got me there, and im sorry if i was being a bit aggressive, because most people here come up with absolutely ridiculous arguments. Honestly, i cant remember the last time a Wii game flopped in Japan, its always somehow this or that.

With that said, while it sold well, given the popularity of the franchise and the Wii userbase, it shouldve sold 1.5 million AT LEAST. People will say its not as good on a console, but the fact is, Wii owners in Japan just arent serious gamers. I mean just look at how many games from mid-sized developers that have sold numbers that even the 360 could beat.

Im willing to bet Sin and Punishment wouldve sold 50k on the 360 given Treasures name. Its not impossible given other shooters on it have reached the milestone.

It outsold the PS2 games, hell MHG Wii even outsold the PS2 version.  Granted that was before the franchise hit the big time on PSP, but the game is at least consistent with Capcom's expectations so far and it's actually beating expectations on the online subscriptions.  Then there's also Taiko and the DQ spinoff, which both sold consistently with comparable PS2 entries.  Plus Capcom's Wii Biohazard shooters have far outsold their PS2 counterparts.

On Wii, established brands usually sell, new brands usually flop.  That's generally the way it goes on all platforms actually, the only reason the HD consoles have generally better 3rd party sales is because they have generally better established 3rd party brands.  If we bring 1st party into it though (as you did with S&P) Wii software sales murder HD consoles.

Also, Treasure's never sold 50k in Japan on an shooter.  Fat chance it'd happen on 360, especially with a rail shooter... Panzer Orta didn't even break 50k on the original Xbox and that was a series that sold 500k+ on Saturn. :P

the game got popular recently. mainly because PSP and train stations. and it carried aaway for the wii, if the ps2 got monster hunter tri, u could have seen similar sales or even better sales than the wii.

and likely a monster hunter freedom 3 will out sell mh3.

Naw, PS2 can't carry software sales like it used to in Japan.  MH3 would've done well there, but not as well as it did on Wii.  Plus it wouldn't get the sort of ambitious western push Nintendo's planning, which is probably the real reason the franchise moved over.

MHF3 will definitely outsell MH3 though, probably by like 3 to 1.  Hell, I think that Felyne Villiage spinoff might outsell MH3 too depending on what it is exactly.  I wonder if the inevitable MH3G on Wii will outsell the original release though?

well probably not now but it's prime time, if monster hunter was popular ps2 should have carried mh tri better.

That's way too many what ifs.  Besides, Wii did just as well as PS2 with Taiko, BH spinoffs and DQ spinoffs, who's to say the same doesn't hold true for MH?