It wasn't a cut.  It was an upgrade to their Pro SKU in a sneaky way.  Just like dropping the 80GB to the 40GB price wasn't a price cut.

And yes, if both Nintendo and MS finish a normal generation's time in 2012, and the PS3 stays a few more years, if it passes either of them after that time period it doesn't count.  I'm glad we agree on this.

If that were the case, we'd be somewhere in 2012 or thereabouts, and Sony would doubtless be making big profit off the PS3, so every unit sold would be good for them and good for me, as a gamer with their console. End of the day, the victory is the money, and it would be profitable times for Sony.

Yes, in fact  I was just meaning the case of only MS pulling out while both Wii and PS3 were still running.

OTOH, if you think about it, even only one console managing to still sell enough to justify the effort when the others can't anymore would be, if not a victory, an achievement, and a quite important one for Sony, if it manages to do it, as with PS3 starting profiting quite late, it will be advisable to sell it as long as possible and viable.

About the cut, well that argument looks a lot like MS damage control PR after its cut worked less than competitors' ones, but maybe it's to early to talk, we'll have to wait and see sales after Xmas to get some longer term trends.

You left off the *IMHO* tags.

I disagree with everything you have typed.

Of course MS could embrace Blu Ray, even with the Zune HD service, the rental service, Netflix and the like. At this point in the game, a Blu Ray add-on will fail so much more harder than the HD-DVD player. Why? Come Black Friday, you'll be able to pick up a BR player for $100. Even on sale, I've seen BR players for $125. They'll hit $99 on Black Friday - trust me on this.

Next, unless MS is just giving them away, they are MS and will overcharge for it. Plus, the player, which will be an add-on, won't play 360 games.

And you do believe that the devs will hold on developing, publishing games on the hottest new system? Uh, no. Look at the attach rates now. MS will be the first in the next generation, again, and will call the shots again.

If Sony sticks to their 10-year plan, and wait until then - or late 2013-2014 to roll out their new console, forget it.

Sony can't live on the PS2's street cred much longer. The PS3 is a good machine - but it's not the powerhouses like the PS1 and PS2 were, IMHO.

Sega and Atari both say HELLO!

@ Koweniki -

These folks are about to come up short too ...

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mid to late 2010 nothing i have read here points otherwise

If the PS3 was to surpass the 360 sales by 2011, it could only be accomplished if the 360 stopped selling which won't happen obviously. So my guess is if the PS3 is to ever surpass the 360, it'll be sometime in 2012.

when duke nukem forever comes out!!!!

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