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The Ghost of RubangB on 29 October 2009

This has nothing to do with their next console. Nintendo is in another league. They missed their goal of 2839057293785209857829705 billion consoles. So they'll settle for a measly "first place by a very large margin." They don't need to kill off the Wii and replace it early. Hell.



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Ail on 29 October 2009
Soriku said:
Ail said:
Soriku said:
KylieDog said:

 

"We were unable to show a new game to become ‘the next thing'."

 

What do they expect when most of their releases have been sequals to games already released this gen.  Another Excite game, another Wii Sports, another Wii Fit, and another Mario Galaxy 2 coming and all the while some IPs are sitting in wait for a Wii version still.


Zelda!

They failed to reach projections because they haven't released any new core games. Casual games can only get you so far.

Next year they're going to bring in the heat though finally.

Hardware projections were based on Wii continuing to sell to casuals so that are far from being actually the case..........

Releasing more core games will not bring the Wii back to 26 millions/year..

You guys are asking for stuff that you want as a Wii owner, not what a casual that hasn't purchased a Wii yet, would want. Those are entirely different things...


Huh? So what do you think is the problem here? Consoles don't magically drop in sales because people made some sort of agreement to not buy it. That makes no sense.

They released plenty of casual games but still aren't reaching the previous 26 mil. Why are they having trouble? It's because they haven't released big core games - you know, stuff a lot of people buy consoles for? Meanwhile, the PS3 and 360 have gotten more and also have gotten price cuts which did eat into the Wii's sales. They didn't have enough compelling SW. Would more big core games have made them rech 26 mil? Not necessarily. Would it have helped a lot? Yes.

yeah because core gamers represent the majority of the Wii owners...not.

They haven't released any new widely successfull casual game for a while now ( resorts and Wii Fit+ are just sequel they are not going convince a huge number of people  to purchase a Wii if the previous iterations of those games didn't).

You'd be surprise how many of the Wii owners this gen have never heard of stuff like Pikmin, Star Forx and co...

 

Wii Sport and Wii Fit made the Wii what it is today, not Galaxy, Punch Out or Metroid..



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Ail on 29 October 2009
Soriku said:
Ail said:
Soriku said:
Ail said:
Soriku said:
KylieDog said:

 

"We were unable to show a new game to become ‘the next thing'."

 

What do they expect when most of their releases have been sequals to games already released this gen.  Another Excite game, another Wii Sports, another Wii Fit, and another Mario Galaxy 2 coming and all the while some IPs are sitting in wait for a Wii version still.


Zelda!

They failed to reach projections because they haven't released any new core games. Casual games can only get you so far.

Next year they're going to bring in the heat though finally.

Hardware projections were based on Wii continuing to sell to casuals so that are far from being actually the case..........

Releasing more core games will not bring the Wii back to 26 millions/year..

You guys are asking for stuff that you want as a Wii owner, not what a casual that hasn't purchased a Wii yet, would want. Those are entirely different things...


Huh? So what do you think is the problem here? Consoles don't magically drop in sales because people made some sort of agreement to not buy it. That makes no sense.

They released plenty of casual games but still aren't reaching the previous 26 mil. Why are they having trouble? It's because they haven't released big core games - you know, stuff a lot of people buy consoles for? Meanwhile, the PS3 and 360 have gotten more and also have gotten price cuts which did eat into the Wii's sales. They didn't have enough compelling SW. Would more big core games have made them rech 26 mil? Not necessarily. Would it have helped a lot? Yes.

yeah because core gamers represent the majority of the Wii owners...not.

They haven't released any new widely success casual game for a while now ( resorts and Wii Fit+ are just sequel they are not going convince a huge number of people  to purchase a Wii if the previous iterations of those games didn't).

You'd be surprise how many of the Wii owners this gen have never heard of stuff like Pikmin, Star Forx and co...

 

Wii Sport and Wii Fit made the Wii what it is today, not Galaxy or Punch Out.....


Because games like SMG, Zelda, or MH3 didn't help the Wii? Casual games are important too but they can't ignore their bread and butter, plain and simple. Next year everything gets fixed. Next year is the Wii's peak year IMO.

Wanna bet a one month VGChartz ban that 2010 wii sales will be way bellow 2008 sales ?

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

caz604 on 29 October 2009

Good conversation going on...

Don't necessarily agree that Wii Music or Animal failed... I mean those sales are very respectable, so to puts things in perspective... the big N has very high expectations.

However, I wonder what magic Nintendo can come up with to get back that momentum.

We know that NSMB Wii, SMG2, Zelda is coming that will satisfy the core, but I think they are putting their hopes with the Vitality sensor to get the expanded audience interested again to achieve their future expectations of sales.

If any company can figure out a way to do that... I'd have to put my money on Nintendo.



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Riot Of The Blood on 29 October 2009

Nintendo has been saying that they're going to get good core games on the console for years now and you guys are still believing this crap?



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Ail on 29 October 2009

2008 sales were 24.2 million based on VGChartz.
2009 sales are tracking to be around 20-21 millions

2010 sales will be bellow 20 millions...( hard to estimate before 2009 holydays is over, if I had to guess right now I would say bellow 18 millions).

This is all calendar year not fiscal.



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Avinash_Tyagi on 29 October 2009
StarcraftManiac said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
StarcraftManiac said:

I have to agree with Iwata's rethoric that Wii failed in the sense that they didn't create a market that is eager enough to purchase the number of Wii's predicted in their previous forecasts.

I think the thriving factors between the slowdown of Wii sales in general is due to the fact that there is a massive lack of Software that can push up hardware sales. A lot of people will play WSports Resorts and wiiFit+, but most of the people who buy those games were already convinced to buy a Wii in the first place because of the first itterations of the series. As such, to get different kinds of people to buy the Wii Nintendo has to start pumping out some more AAA-titles (and not only the Mario's and Zelda's) but something new and unexpected for a part of the market not specifically 'old people' and 'non-gamers'...

Another aspect of the slowdown is, I think, the hardware that is insufficient for a lot of 3rd-party devs. Who then choose not to develop for the Wii (not all, but Wii misses out on a lot of titles because of hardware limitations)... 

 

As such, I think the time is right to have Wii going for another 1-1.5 years with some strong software-releases from Nintendo (e.o) but I think a succesor to the Wii isn't too far around the corner!!

 

 

(Damn, first post in a long time, and probably my only because I don't have time nor the will to do this any longer)

No, because new Hardware won't solve Nintendo's software issue, its not core software that pushes Wii sales, but expanded market stuff, 3rd parties don't put out expanded market stuff, only Nintendo can solve this, which is why new hardware isn't what Iwata is referring to

Hardware upgrades could solve a part of the software problems when Nintendo puts out a console that has around the same specs as the PS3 and the X360 way earlier then the succesors of the previous two, just because 3rd-parties wouldn't have to downgrade in order to port. As such, Nintendo would have to keep the motion-controlls available. But it should integrate the WM+ technologies into the controller (not as an add-on)... And keep classic-controlls as an option. Maybe a Blu-Ray-drive...

I honestly don't think it's Too far-fetched because it would give people who already own a Wii the possibility to upgrade (with a possible discount) and keep consumer demand (possibly) high enough for others who haven't already bought a Wii in the first place to buy this version. 

I think it's a viable marketing-decision because what this Wii-upgrade would offer, next to the fact that it has the same hardware-specs as the X360/PS3 is the back-catalogue of the Wii, it's mass-market titles like Wii-sports and Wii-Fit, and the now finally working motion controlls all as pro's instead of con's!


Again, having third party software won't help the Wii, 3rd Party software doesn't drive momentum, because all they do is make core games, ifthird party software did drive momentum, then Sony and MS would be leading not Nintendo, but they aren't Hence hardware upgrades will not do it, you have to give software first party expanded software Sorry, but none of what you mentioned has addressed the issue, the issue being having software that maintains momentum and is the next big thing to really keep interest and market expansion going. Until you can show how hardware upgrade will do that, your argument is lacking.

 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Loud_Hot_White_Box on 29 October 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
 

Nintendo wants more sales, but Iwata admitted they didn't have the games to continue the momentum.

Nintendo fans never want to admit that the games on Wii just aren't that strong.  They go back to talking about profits...which would be relevant if you were a Nintendo investor, but not so much if you are a core gamer.

Core games aren't the issue, core games aren't momentum drivers, in fact core games are irrelevant to what Iwata was talking about

PS1 and 2 say 'hi".  Game libraries built around core games can be sufficient to sell 100million+.  Now Nintendo has found another way to generate sales, and these market-expanding games have generated tens of millions of Wii sales; however, I think there are still a ton of core gamers who just haven't been convinced by the Wii's game library to buy a Wii.

The population of non-core gamers in the world is much larger than that of core gamers, but that's a limited perspective.  Core gamers will spend huge amounts on consoles and games, and Nintendo hasn't done a good job of getting that money.



Avinash_Tyagi on 29 October 2009
Riot Of The Blood said:
Nintendo has been saying that they're going to get good core games on the console for years now and you guys are still believing this crap?

Core games aren't the issue, they are irrelevant really to what Iwata is saying.

 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi on 29 October 2009
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:
 

Nintendo wants more sales, but Iwata admitted they didn't have the games to continue the momentum.

Nintendo fans never want to admit that the games on Wii just aren't that strong.  They go back to talking about profits...which would be relevant if you were a Nintendo investor, but not so much if you are a core gamer.

Core games aren't the issue, core games aren't momentum drivers, in fact core games are irrelevant to what Iwata was talking about

PS1 and 2 say 'hi".  Game libraries built around core games can be sufficient to sell 100million+.  Now Nintendo has found another way to generate sales, and these market-expanding games have generated tens of millions of Wii sales; however, I think there are still a ton of core gamers who just haven't been convinced by the Wii's game library to buy a Wii.

The population of non-core gamers in the world is much larger than that of core gamers, but that's a limited perspective.  Core gamers will spend huge amounts on consoles and games, and Nintendo hasn't done a good job of getting that money.


Wii is outselling both even now, so what's your point? Wii was doing far better than even that though,m and it was not because of core games, Wii sales in terms of software have never been an issue, until this year when they ran out of new expanded audience games and further expansion of what they had already done, not because of a lack of core games, core is not the issue, as I've pointed out repeatedly.

 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)