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ocnkng said:
Samus Aran said:

Meh, I've always said that communism was far worse then what the NSDAP did. So, I'm not going to complain at all.

Whats NSDAP?

nationalsozialistische deutsche arbeiterpartei.

 

Political party of Hitler. 



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ocnkng said:
Samus Aran said:

Meh, I've always said that communism was far worse then what the NSDAP did. So, I'm not going to complain at all.

Whats NSDAP?

Nazis.




Oh and to come back on the topic title.

Not all Communist countries were/are "evil"(I hate the term evil, imo nothing is evil, call it what you want, but I call it human nature).

Just Russia(USSR), China, North Korea.

Samus Aran said:

Japanese have a stronger dislike for America trust me.. What do you mean by WWll? Japan attacked America because they were facing a choice between death of the empire or fighting for its life, Japan decided to seize the oil fields of the Indies. And the only force capable of interfering was the U.S. fleet that FDR had conveniently moved from San Diego out to Honolulu. The reason why they needed oil was because of an economical embargo from America. America did that because Japan was taking over colonies in the middle East. 

After the war against the Nazi party ended America was still at war with the Japanese and they desperately wanted to end the war and that's why they decided to throw and atom bomb on Japan. 1 wasn't enough for America, so a few days later they dropped another one that got dropped on the wrong location because of bad weather, but a lot of victems never the less.

Japan had to surrender in SHAME. They also had to give up their war against China, all because of America.

Believe me, Japan hates America more then communism. Lot's of people committed suicide after they lost the war against America.

 

 

This is clearly show by their adoption of many things US more then other countries... and the US commonly being good guys in their works.

After World War 2 the US facilitated the "Japanese Miracle" through investments. 

Also if you knew anything about WW2 in the pacific you'd know it took 2 atom bombs to end the war.  It's not that 1 wasn't enough for the US.  1 wasn't enough for the Japanese military commanders.

Hell, 2 wasn't.  The Military commanders wanted to push on until everyone was dead rather then face defeat.

The second bomb was just what the emperor needed to break away from said military commanders.


The only other solutions were an invasion from the south, that would of likely included an unwanted russian invasion from the north, splitting the country like vietnam or germany, and leading to way more deaths then 2 atom bombs...

or to simply blockade the country and bomb it until they surrendered... targeting vital trainlines that transported military equipment, but also transported food.  Japan's food source at the time mostly being supported by a few provinces... this would of lead to massive famine that once again would of killed many more then those 2 atom bombs.

Well that or the option of accepting Japan's "surrender" where they ended up getting to keep most of what they conquered including stuff the US had already taken back.



US commonly being good guys in their work?! Seriously go back to your history books please, and try not to go to an American school/university if they teach you bullshit like that(I'm not saying American schools are bad, but if they teach you that America is commonly the good guys then there's something very wrong with that school). America has shown a lot of support for dictators in history like in Vietnam, Congo, etc
I study history at university and every time America gets involved it's everything except positive. They're also fighting against an enemy they created... Bin Laden...

1 atom bomb was enough, Japan had lost the war and they surrendered quickly after the second atom bomb.

The only other solution(well not the only one, but this is what Russia wanted) was to organize a similar day like D-day, but they would need the help of Russia and there were already signs of struggle between American and Russia back then. It would also lead to more deaths FOR THE AMERICANS.

I can take a lot, but if someone is going to tell me that America is commonly the good guy in history then I do get pissed yes.

 

Ps: Do you know the video were america brings down Saddam Hussein and the people from Iraq destroy his statue? And all of them cheering? Well that vid is shown a lot on American news, but it's all FAKE. If you look closely then you notice that most of the people there are soldiers and journalists. No one was even at that statue, American soldiers asked the people to come out, so they could make that vid. It's all fake, no one was happy at all... The media is just a tool for war propaganda and most people follow it like sheep.



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Samus Aran said:

US commonly being good guys in their work?! Seriously go back to your history books please, and try not to go to an American school/university if they teach you bullshit like that(I'm not saying American schools are bad, but if they teach you that America is commonly the good guys then there's something very wrong with that school). America has shown a lot of support for dictators in history like in Vietnam, Congo, etc
I study history at university and every time America gets involved it's everything except positive. They're also fighting against an enemy they created... Bin Laden...

1 atom bomb was enough, Japan had lost the war and they surrendered quickly after the second atom bomb.

The only other solution(well not the only one, but this is what Russia wanted) was to organize a similar day like D-day, but they would need the help of Russia and there were already signs of struggle between American and Russia back then. It would also lead to more deaths FOR THE AMERICANS.

I can take a lot, but if someone is going to tell me that America is commonly the good guy in history then I do get pissed yes.

Did I say commonly?  No, I actually said some US presidents did a lot of slimey things.  However when you compare the lists the USSR was worse.  Which it was... you think the USSR was worse then the Nazis.  Do you think the US is worse then the Nazis?

As for 1 atom bomb being enough... go back and actually look at the records at the time.  They're actually available for you to look at at show you that 1 atom bomb WASN'T enough.  Japan's offer their military leaders had proposed was "We will surrender if you give us back a lot of shit you already took."

The military leaders had overtaken the emperor at that point and they had no intentions of giving up.

The Japanese leaders were not willing for an unconditional surrender... not until after the second bomb dropped. 



Additionally when it comes to horrible US WW2 Bombings... Hiroshima and Nagasaki are the wrong place to look.

Now the Firebombing of Dresden. That was a meaningless bombing.



You actually did say commonly.

No, I'm not saying America is worse then the Nazis(the list of bad stuff is pretty long though from america, but the Nazi party only reigned for like 12 years and the list of evil things they accumulated is crazy for such a "short" reign.)

Just to make myself clear, Nazism is a lot worse then America, but that doesn't take away that America still did some bad stuff that you just can't justify.

If you say 1 atom bomb wasn't enough then I'll take your word for it, doesn't really matter to what I was trying to say anyway.



Samus Aran said:
You actually did say commonly.

No, I'm not saying America is worse then the Nazis(the list of bad stuff is pretty long though from america, but the Nazi party only reigned for like 12 years.)

Just to make myself clear, Nazism is a lot worse then America, but that doesn't take away that America still did some bad stuff that you just can't justify.

If you say 1 atom bomb wasn't enough then I'll take your word for it, doesn't really matter to what I was trying to say anyway.

Oh, i see you misread me.  Look at the sentence again.

It was talking about the Japanese "hate" for americans.

This is clearly show by their adoption of many things US more then other countries... and the US commonly being good guys in their works.

As in.  Japan loves American culture more then most countries and in most Japanese films, games and anime Americans are usually good guys.

Even when Americans are bad guys they're usually the "Lesser" badguys who are somewhat evil but better then the alternative... which more or less makes them the good guys in such a work since there are no good guys aside from a small group led by the main character.

If the Japanese seem to hold an irrational hate against anybody, it's not Americans... or even russians so much as other asian cultures.



This thread was bound to become really politicised with simple minded comments being thrown around.