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Samus Aran said:
Pharaoh said:
@Samus Aran

Most of us have gone to college, or as you call it university. Don't believe all your professors, man. Some of them love to promote their views and political beliefs in their classroom. Apparently you have just parroted his beliefs as you see him as an authority figure with credibility. He obviously has a problem with the U.S. and its policies. Don't be a blind sheep and follow whatever he says.

Perhaps you should stop being a blind sheep of your government. I don't believe all my professors, only when they back things up and it's not like he's the only one that shares that opinion. Pretty much everyone does here. Yes, the world has a problem with the U.S. Didn't you know?

Any person/professor etc. can back up opinions, theories, and ideologies with half-truths and spin of historical records.  Hell, it sounds like  I could defend the Holocaust with some simple word play, and probably get you to believe it if I was your professor.  You do know our(the U.S.) government doesn't control people and the media right?  Why do you think there is always an outcry against the government?  That's why we have elections, if we don't like the direction of the government we change it during the next election.

Just to let you know, these "policies and dictators" we set up during the cold war, was to keep Russia and communism in check and vise versa with the USSR.  The U.S. and USSR would fund whatever war or government that was opposed to the other during this time to fight each other indirectly.  If we were all pacifists over here, half if not more of the world would be communist and Russia would of had a much greater influence than us at this time.  Russia probably would have invaded A LOT of countries and set up their empire, after the wreckage of WWII, when the U.S. and USSR emerged as world powers.  Yeah it would have been great if we could of held hands and sung songs of peace, but that is not the way the world works.

I'm done with you and this thread, it's pointless to refute someone's ill-founded thought process, when they are unable to adapt, but only follow.



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Pharaoh said:
Samus Aran said:
Pharaoh said:
@Samus Aran

Most of us have gone to college, or as you call it university. Don't believe all your professors, man. Some of them love to promote their views and political beliefs in their classroom. Apparently you have just parroted his beliefs as you see him as an authority figure with credibility. He obviously has a problem with the U.S. and its policies. Don't be a blind sheep and follow whatever he says.

Perhaps you should stop being a blind sheep of your government. I don't believe all my professors, only when they back things up and it's not like he's the only one that shares that opinion. Pretty much everyone does here. Yes, the world has a problem with the U.S. Didn't you know?

Any person/professor etc. can back up opinions, theories, and ideologies with half-truths and spin of historical records.  Hell, it sounds like  I could defend the Holocaust with some simple word play, and probably get you to believe it if I was your professor.  You do know our(the U.S.) government doesn't control people and the media right?  Why do you think there is always an outcry against the government?  That's why we have elections, if we don't like the direction of the government we change it during the next election.

Just to let you know, these "policies and dictators" we set up during the cold war, was to keep Russia and communism in check and vise versa with the USSR.  The U.S. and USSR would fund whatever war or government that was opposed to the other during this time to fight each other indirectly.  If we were all pacifists over here, half if not more of the world would be communist and Russia would of had a much greater influence than us at this time.  Russia probably would have invaded A LOT of countries and set up their empire, after the wreckage of WWII, when the U.S. and USSR emerged as world powers.  Yeah it would have been great if we could of held hands and sung songs of peace, but that is not the way the world works.

I'm done with you and this thread, it's pointless to refute someone's ill-founded thought process, when they are unable to adapt, but only follow.

Thats it, both were assholes at that time, so I guess its ok then to bash the US for the actions they commited in the cold war if we bash russia too.

Other thing, for you as a US citizen it might be ok, but try to look a t it like a person that suffered from those US or URSS dictatorships, coups and wars and what you wrote in the paraghraph seems somewhat wrong.



Kasz216 said:
Samus Aran said:


I've only been to Hungary(of the east european countries) and you don't see anyone hating Americans there.

I think East European countries have more hate for Russia then because it's not like they had a choice or something. They had to join the USSR... Well except Yugoslavia(doesn't exist anymore today) because they were freed by Tito and not by the Russians, but Tito was a communist as well(although he hated Stalin) so it doesn't really matter.

Well mostly.  There are some people like Hunter who are too young to remember how bad things were then and are drawn to the general "glory" that the USSR had as a super power.

It's why countries like the Ukraine and Georgia can't get into the EU soon enough.  They see it as the only way to save themselves from Russia again.

 

You know absolutly nothing about me or my familys life during and after the fall of the Soviet Union, so please dont make snap judgments like that ok? The truth is that yes we did have a great life during the soviet era, but we wherent the only ones. Everybody who managed to fit in had a great one. bealieve it or not many things where far better during that time then what they are today.

 

Yes I might be a bit biased because of my family situation towards russia, but Im certain that no matter what, I would rather be part of a new eastern european economic union then being part of the UE, or its US mimicking rules/habbits/culture. I dont want to be part of that general stupidity and ignorance that consumes the western counties, and Im glad that I was raised as I was.

 

Why do you remember so well how terrible was the USSR KASZ ??? Seriously? Did you live here or all that you have heard was bull**** propaganda? You do know that all the horror stories where only a small part of the entire entity that was the Soviet Union, and most people some way or another actually had a decent and quality life. What was it major fault? That it tried to brainwash people? What country doesnt tries that till this day? Or that it killed innocent people for no reason? Well hello there second gulf war So no, the truth is that its easy to blame the soviet union for every evil act ever made, but people forget that except those few whom actually suffered, there are millions whom actually had a great, eventfull life. I for one would be able to do anything for another similar, and better union, and I do hope that one day it will happen, and the world will see the true face of the eastern european countries

 

For everybody whom is on the Russian/eastern bashing side, please, I dare you to come and spend a couple of weeks/months/years here, in Romania, Bulgaria, Russia, Ukraine or anywhere else, and I can guarantee that all that you will find is a far more friendlier world, rich culture, where things like happines and freedom may actually be more than a flat and a car, for which youl pay bills for years to come



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Mao still made all peasants work hard, the children were taken away from their homes to be raised by the state because he wanted the peasants to work harder and longer, everyone had to eat in one big place, pretty much everything they produced was meant for export causing millions of peasants to die of starvation, if people stole food their hands got cut off, he took away their personal lives,etc

This was all done before he even started his "cultural revolution"

Please, don't tell me he's a hero of peasants. That's bullshit. I'd be a bigger hero then him if I kicked a Chinese peasant to death for fun. The only reason Mao is still considered a hero in China is because of the Chinese government.

 

Ps: Hunter, those countries aren't ruled by communism anymore, I hate communism, not those countries.



Samus Aran said:

Mao still made all peasants work hard, the children were taken away from their homes to be raised by the state because he wanted the peasants to work harder and longer, everyone had to eat in one big place, pretty much everything they produced was meant for export causing millions of peasants to die of starvation, if people stole food their hands got cut off, he took away their personal lives,etc

This was all done before he even started his "cultural revolution"

Please, don't tell me he's a hero of peasants. That's bullshit. I'd be a bigger hero then him if I kicked a Chinese peasant to death for fun. The only reason Mao is still considered a hero in China is because of the Chinese government.

 

Ps: Hunter, those countries aren't ruled by communism anymore, I hate communism, not those countries.

 

 

Again... hate. Is just a way to powerfull word IMO, for something that was created with the intention of being the perfect rulling form



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Pharaoh said:
Samus Aran said:
Pharaoh said:
@Samus Aran

Most of us have gone to college, or as you call it university. Don't believe all your professors, man. Some of them love to promote their views and political beliefs in their classroom. Apparently you have just parroted his beliefs as you see him as an authority figure with credibility. He obviously has a problem with the U.S. and its policies. Don't be a blind sheep and follow whatever he says.

Perhaps you should stop being a blind sheep of your government. I don't believe all my professors, only when they back things up and it's not like he's the only one that shares that opinion. Pretty much everyone does here. Yes, the world has a problem with the U.S. Didn't you know?

Any person/professor etc. can back up opinions, theories, and ideologies with half-truths and spin of historical records.  Hell, it sounds like  I could defend the Holocaust with some simple word play, and probably get you to believe it if I was your professor.  You do know our(the U.S.) government doesn't control people and the media right?  Why do you think there is always an outcry against the government?  That's why we have elections, if we don't like the direction of the government we change it during the next election.

Just to let you know, these "policies and dictators" we set up during the cold war, was to keep Russia and communism in check and vise versa with the USSR.  The U.S. and USSR would fund whatever war or government that was opposed to the other during this time to fight each other indirectly.  If we were all pacifists over here, half if not more of the world would be communist and Russia would of had a much greater influence than us at this time.  Russia probably would have invaded A LOT of countries and set up their empire, after the wreckage of WWII, when the U.S. and USSR emerged as world powers.  Yeah it would have been great if we could of held hands and sung songs of peace, but that is not the way the world works.

I'm done with you and this thread, it's pointless to refute someone's ill-founded thought process, when they are unable to adapt, but only follow.

Please, try to make the Holocaust sound good. Please, try. Your words mean little when you don't back them up. When you don't like your govenrment you do elections? How do you think you get elected? By setting up campaigns and using THE MEDIA. You say I have an ill-founded though of process yet yours is ludicrous and you back nothing up. Have fun promoting a war without using the media by the way. You need an excuse to invade countries. 9/11 is the perfect example for that(And no I'm not saying the American government caused 9/11, that's highly unlikely)

 

And these "policies and supporting dictators" were mostly(not always) to keep communism in check yes. That doesn't mean however that they did the right thing. Machiavellianism is the perfect word to describe you.

 

@Hunter: Why should I care that it was intended to be the perfect ruling form? The truth is, it's a horrible ruling form and there never will be a perfect ruling form. Democracy is a bad ruling form, but do you know a better one? Although one could argue that communism is a form of democracy(DDR is the perfect example)



Samus Aran said:
Pharaoh said:
Samus Aran said:
Pharaoh said:
@Samus Aran

Most of us have gone to college, or as you call it university. Don't believe all your professors, man. Some of them love to promote their views and political beliefs in their classroom. Apparently you have just parroted his beliefs as you see him as an authority figure with credibility. He obviously has a problem with the U.S. and its policies. Don't be a blind sheep and follow whatever he says.

Perhaps you should stop being a blind sheep of your government. I don't believe all my professors, only when they back things up and it's not like he's the only one that shares that opinion. Pretty much everyone does here. Yes, the world has a problem with the U.S. Didn't you know?

Any person/professor etc. can back up opinions, theories, and ideologies with half-truths and spin of historical records.  Hell, it sounds like  I could defend the Holocaust with some simple word play, and probably get you to believe it if I was your professor.  You do know our(the U.S.) government doesn't control people and the media right?  Why do you think there is always an outcry against the government?  That's why we have elections, if we don't like the direction of the government we change it during the next election.

Just to let you know, these "policies and dictators" we set up during the cold war, was to keep Russia and communism in check and vise versa with the USSR.  The U.S. and USSR would fund whatever war or government that was opposed to the other during this time to fight each other indirectly.  If we were all pacifists over here, half if not more of the world would be communist and Russia would of had a much greater influence than us at this time.  Russia probably would have invaded A LOT of countries and set up their empire, after the wreckage of WWII, when the U.S. and USSR emerged as world powers.  Yeah it would have been great if we could of held hands and sung songs of peace, but that is not the way the world works.

I'm done with you and this thread, it's pointless to refute someone's ill-founded thought process, when they are unable to adapt, but only follow.

9/11 is the perfect example for that(And no I'm not saying the American government caused 9/11, that's highly unlikely)

 

Actually ist very likely. In fact, it has been proven. Watch the movie Zeitgeist part 2 on youtube



Pharaoh said:
Samus Aran said:
Pharaoh said:
@Samus Aran

Most of us have gone to college, or as you call it university. Don't believe all your professors, man. Some of them love to promote their views and political beliefs in their classroom. Apparently you have just parroted his beliefs as you see him as an authority figure with credibility. He obviously has a problem with the U.S. and its policies. Don't be a blind sheep and follow whatever he says.

Perhaps you should stop being a blind sheep of your government. I don't believe all my professors, only when they back things up and it's not like he's the only one that shares that opinion. Pretty much everyone does here. Yes, the world has a problem with the U.S. Didn't you know?

Any person/professor etc. can back up opinions, theories, and ideologies with half-truths and spin of historical records.  Hell, it sounds like  I could defend the Holocaust with some simple word play, and probably get you to believe it if I was your professor.  You do know our(the U.S.) government doesn't control people and the media right?  Why do you think there is always an outcry against the government?  That's why we have elections, if we don't like the direction of the government we change it during the next election.

Just to let you know, these "policies and dictators" we set up during the cold war, was to keep Russia and communism in check and vise versa with the USSR.  The U.S. and USSR would fund whatever war or government that was opposed to the other during this time to fight each other indirectly.  If we were all pacifists over here, half if not more of the world would be communist and Russia would of had a much greater influence than us at this time.  Russia probably would have invaded A LOT of countries and set up their empire, after the wreckage of WWII, when the U.S. and USSR emerged as world powers.  Yeah it would have been great if we could of held hands and sung songs of peace, but that is not the way the world works.

I'm done with you and this thread, it's pointless to refute someone's ill-founded thought process, when they are unable to adapt, but only follow.

I think you'll find what you're prescribing to Samus could easily be said of you. I could easily make comments on what you've just written and claim it's US State Department propaganda. In fact if anything there's more evidence to show the US was hell bent on empire creating (of the neo sort) after WW2. The US wasn't interested in keeping communism in check. It was interested in keeping the political independance of a nation in check and the free thinking masses. The USSR was a major stumbling block as it had a very powerful military that was independant of the US and could even challenge it somewhat but it also provided the US with a major enemy it could blame the worlds ills on and go on it's adventures to 'contain' communism. Of course that pretext has now gone (we have a new one) NATO remains and the globe trotting adventurism continues as does critical support for non democratic regimes. And the huge military industrial complex is getting more money now than at any other time in it's history even when inflation is taken into account.



BladeOfGod said:
Samus Aran said:
Pharaoh said:
Samus Aran said:
Pharaoh said:
@Samus Aran

Most of us have gone to college, or as you call it university. Don't believe all your professors, man. Some of them love to promote their views and political beliefs in their classroom. Apparently you have just parroted his beliefs as you see him as an authority figure with credibility. He obviously has a problem with the U.S. and its policies. Don't be a blind sheep and follow whatever he says.

Perhaps you should stop being a blind sheep of your government. I don't believe all my professors, only when they back things up and it's not like he's the only one that shares that opinion. Pretty much everyone does here. Yes, the world has a problem with the U.S. Didn't you know?

Any person/professor etc. can back up opinions, theories, and ideologies with half-truths and spin of historical records.  Hell, it sounds like  I could defend the Holocaust with some simple word play, and probably get you to believe it if I was your professor.  You do know our(the U.S.) government doesn't control people and the media right?  Why do you think there is always an outcry against the government?  That's why we have elections, if we don't like the direction of the government we change it during the next election.

Just to let you know, these "policies and dictators" we set up during the cold war, was to keep Russia and communism in check and vise versa with the USSR.  The U.S. and USSR would fund whatever war or government that was opposed to the other during this time to fight each other indirectly.  If we were all pacifists over here, half if not more of the world would be communist and Russia would of had a much greater influence than us at this time.  Russia probably would have invaded A LOT of countries and set up their empire, after the wreckage of WWII, when the U.S. and USSR emerged as world powers.  Yeah it would have been great if we could of held hands and sung songs of peace, but that is not the way the world works.

I'm done with you and this thread, it's pointless to refute someone's ill-founded thought process, when they are unable to adapt, but only follow.

9/11 is the perfect example for that(And no I'm not saying the American government caused 9/11, that's highly unlikely)

 

Actually ist very likely. In fact, it has been proven. Watch the movie Zeitgeist part 2 on youtube

Actually, I did watch that movie. Didn't convince me(I'm ok with you believing that, but I find it very unlikely). Please don't say it has been proven, you know it isn't.



Samus Aran said:
Pharaoh said:
Samus Aran said:
Pharaoh said:
@Samus Aran

Most of us have gone to college, or as you call it university. Don't believe all your professors, man. Some of them love to promote their views and political beliefs in their classroom. Apparently you have just parroted his beliefs as you see him as an authority figure with credibility. He obviously has a problem with the U.S. and its policies. Don't be a blind sheep and follow whatever he says.

Perhaps you should stop being a blind sheep of your government. I don't believe all my professors, only when they back things up and it's not like he's the only one that shares that opinion. Pretty much everyone does here. Yes, the world has a problem with the U.S. Didn't you know?

Any person/professor etc. can back up opinions, theories, and ideologies with half-truths and spin of historical records.  Hell, it sounds like  I could defend the Holocaust with some simple word play, and probably get you to believe it if I was your professor.  You do know our(the U.S.) government doesn't control people and the media right?  Why do you think there is always an outcry against the government?  That's why we have elections, if we don't like the direction of the government we change it during the next election.

Just to let you know, these "policies and dictators" we set up during the cold war, was to keep Russia and communism in check and vise versa with the USSR.  The U.S. and USSR would fund whatever war or government that was opposed to the other during this time to fight each other indirectly.  If we were all pacifists over here, half if not more of the world would be communist and Russia would of had a much greater influence than us at this time.  Russia probably would have invaded A LOT of countries and set up their empire, after the wreckage of WWII, when the U.S. and USSR emerged as world powers.  Yeah it would have been great if we could of held hands and sung songs of peace, but that is not the way the world works.

I'm done with you and this thread, it's pointless to refute someone's ill-founded thought process, when they are unable to adapt, but only follow.

Please, try to make the Holocaust sound good. Please, try. Your words mean little when you don't back them up. When you don't like your govenrment you do elections? How do you think you get elected? By setting up campaigns and using THE MEDIA. You say I have an ill-founded though of process yet yours is ludicrous and you back nothing up. Have fun promoting a war without using the media by the way. You need an excuse to invade countries. 9/11 is the perfect example for that(And no I'm not saying the American government caused 9/11, that's highly unlikely)

 

And these "policies and supporting dictators" were mostly(not always) to keep communism in check yes. That doesn't mean however that they did the right thing. Machiavellianism is the perfect word to describe you.

 

@Hunter: Why should I care that it was intended to be the perfect ruling form? The truth is, it's a horrible ruling form and there never will be a perfect ruling form. Democracy is a bad ruling form, but do you know a better one? Although one could argue that communism is a form of democracy(DDR is the perfect example)

Again... you are talking with extreme words: terrible, horrible, hate etc. Just because something didnt have time to grow to be something real, doesnt mean that it was bad. Yes the Soviet Union was destroyed by a bad economic system, but with time it could have been something far better IMO. Comunism needs changes if it wants to take off, but its nothing that cant be done with a little work Democracy is a bad rulling form, and I hate what its doing to this world and to the younger generation, but unfrotunalty It seems that Im in minority here Yes, when it comes to my political views I am a communist, but that doesnt stops me from aknowladging that it needs to change, or the fact that it does needs to copy some things from the current democratic forms



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