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jesus kung fu magic on 27 October 2009
Feylic said:
If you really played these games all the way through you would know that Krato's was not an all around loving guy when he was first introduced. He was a hardened soldier. So after he became a god, he just continued fighting. As was also mentioned in this thread, he was promised that his memories would go away, but they didn't, so he's still pissed.

If you really played the games , you would have realized that the gods didnt promise Kratos freedom from his memories but that Kratos mis-understood them....which is why he probably clung to the hope that they would erase them because if not them then who?

Kratos would have killed Ares either way because of his vendetta against the god.....he just had support from the gods this way so it was a win-win for him either way.

And if you actually played through GOW1 you would have realized that even though he is shown as a hardened soldier at the beginning, you start to see the character of kratos and what drives him to do what he does in the game to the point you feel sympathetic towards him and what ever Ares had coming to him would be rightfully deserved........this is one of the reasons why GOW1 is vastly superior to GOW2.

 

 



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Akvod on 27 October 2009
jesus kung fu magic said:
Feylic said:
If you really played these games all the way through you would know that Krato's was not an all around loving guy when he was first introduced. He was a hardened soldier. So after he became a god, he just continued fighting. As was also mentioned in this thread, he was promised that his memories would go away, but they didn't, so he's still pissed.

If you really played the games , you would have realized that the gods didnt promise Kratos freedom from his memories but that Kratos mis-understood them....which is why he probably clung to the hope that they would erase them because if not them then who?

Kratos would have killed Ares either way because of his vendetta against the god.....he just had support from the gods this way so it was a win-win for him either way.

And if you actually played through GOW1 you would have realized that even though he is shown as a hardened soldier at the beginning, you start to see the character of kratos and what drives him to do what he does in the game to the point you feel sympathetic towards him and what ever Ares had coming to him would be rightfully deserved........this is one of the reasons why GOW1 is vastly superior to GOW2.

And you didn't see the ending of GoW I as tragic? That Kratos wanted to escape the cycle of war and pain, but was denied that by the gods, and became the very god of what he was trying to escape (or if you're going to argue against Kratos and take the less sympathethic view, Kratos had what was coming to him, for his tragic flaws and mistakes?)

 

Kratos isn't an entirely sympathetic character, nor an completely dispicable one.

The scene with the wife asking "When is it enough?" and Kratos' willingness to be a war machine (until the fateful night) shows that he was already war hungry.

Like I said, I think that with such a flawed, but sympathetic character, it's better to just leave it to player choice like in GTA IV. Nico, IMHO, is pretty dispicable and sympathetic too. So it's best for both to see if they continue falling to the same trap and flaw, or if they escape.



MetalGearSolid_4ever on 27 October 2009

First of all it wasn't athens. It was rhodes.
In God of War, Kratos got himself nearly killed by the Barbarian King because he wanted to spread the glory of Sparta, that was his ultimate mission. He was promised his memories cleaned and was promised peace in exchange of Ares' death. However in the end, the gods say that what he had done was horrible and cannot be cleaned. Therefore he is pissed at the gods for breaking their promise and pissed at himself for the things he did.
His only joy comes in the form of the "glory of sparta" which he intended to achieve when he was a mortal. So he helps his native people to spread its glory..simple as that.
Zeus who is afraid that Kratos would one day, try to be the king of the gods by overturning his rule, just as to he himslef did to Kronos, out of fear - kills kratos..who comes back from the dead seeking vengeance as it was because of the gods that he lost his family and he get those nightmares about himself, and they stabbed him in the back after he had done everything they had asked for.



jesus kung fu magic on 27 October 2009
MetalGearSolid_4ever said:
First of all it wasn't athens. It was rhodes.
In God of War, Kratos got himself nearly killed by the Barbarian King because he wanted to spread the glory of Sparta, that was his ultimate mission. He was promised his memories cleaned and was promised peace in exchange of Ares' death. However in the end, the gods say that what he had done was horrible and cannot be cleaned. Therefore he is pissed at the gods for breaking their promise and pissed at himself for the things he did.
His only joy comes in the form of the "glory of sparta" which he intended to achieve when he was a mortal. So he helps his native people to spread its glory..simple as that.
Zeus who is afraid that Kratos would one day, try to be the king of the gods by overturning his rule, just as to he himslef did to Kronos, out of fear - kills kratos..who comes back from the dead seeking vengeance as it was because of the gods that he lost his family and he get those nightmares about himself, and they stabbed him in the back after he had done everything they had asked for.

Ive addressed everything in earlier posts except the bolded which I dont understand.......Kratos had ZERO support from the gods after becoming the God Of War..to be the king of gods you need the support of the gods.



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Torillian on 27 October 2009
jesus kung fu magic said:
MetalGearSolid_4ever said:
First of all it wasn't athens. It was rhodes.
In God of War, Kratos got himself nearly killed by the Barbarian King because he wanted to spread the glory of Sparta, that was his ultimate mission. He was promised his memories cleaned and was promised peace in exchange of Ares' death. However in the end, the gods say that what he had done was horrible and cannot be cleaned. Therefore he is pissed at the gods for breaking their promise and pissed at himself for the things he did.
His only joy comes in the form of the "glory of sparta" which he intended to achieve when he was a mortal. So he helps his native people to spread its glory..simple as that.
Zeus who is afraid that Kratos would one day, try to be the king of the gods by overturning his rule, just as to he himslef did to Kronos, out of fear - kills kratos..who comes back from the dead seeking vengeance as it was because of the gods that he lost his family and he get those nightmares about himself, and they stabbed him in the back after he had done everything they had asked for.

Ive addressed everything in earlier posts except the bolded which I dont understand.......Kratos had ZERO support from the gods after becoming the God Of War..to be the king of gods you need the support of the gods.

Where did you adress the fact that he was attacking Rhodes and not Athens?  That was the entire point of your OP was that that action made no sense and yer right it doesn't make sense.  Thank goodness it didn't actually happen because that would've been confusing.



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Akvod on 27 October 2009

Jesus kung fu magic, I suggest you replay the games or refresh your memory on Wikipedia.

I'm sure you haven't played the games for a long time (just like me) and it's understandable that you either forgotten the game's plot and themes, or misinterpreted it (since your interpretations are based off of false memories).



MetalGearSolid_4ever on 27 October 2009
jesus kung fu magic said:

The J man has extensively played all God of War games and by far the first was his favourite out of the 3 , Kratos unknowingly kills his family because of the god he worked for and works his way even through hell to get his ultimate revenge and also try to forget the deed he had done......he was broken but eventually killed Ares and eventually takes his place as the god of war (up to this point, its reasonable, but kratos didnt want only revenge, he wanted his memories free from the horrible thing he had done in the past) ...but then it gets weird.

At the beginning of GOW 2 we are shown that Kratos has revived his spartan army and is attacking...wait for it....ATHENAS  CITY (FAIL. He was attacking rhodes) for absolutely no reason!!!....The god who (it could be argued) got him his position as the god of war. The god who warned him to stop going out of control or face the reprocussions was having her city destroyed by the person she helped though his journey........(Because of the earlier fail, this fails too.Epicl FAIl.)they zeus comes and rightfully kills Kratos

(Kratos wanted to spread the glory of sparta since even before he was a servant of the gods..when he was betrayed by the gods who failed their promise of cleansing his memories.

Therefore, he was pissed at the gods for breaking their promise and pissed at himself for what he had done - killed his family and ruthlessly massacred innocent people, Spreadin the glory of sparta would have been his only "joy".

Whether zeus killing kratos was "rightful" or not cannot be decuded by us as they are both "bad" guys.Kratos is an antihero.Besides, Zeus only does this as he is afraid of kratos taking over the rule of olympus as he had done the same thing by killing his own father, kronos.)

(not before geniously taking away his powers as gods cant fight gods)(but he kills them without any god powers lol .)

.........and then Kratos cheats death because of the titans blah blah blah.

The blah blah part is where the plot is !

The titans ---> want revenge from the gods. (Gaia helped zeus who backstabbed her by taking the fight to all titan, not just kronos.) 

Kratos -----> wants revenge from the gods for breaking promises, betrayal 

Kratos + titans  = allies

Kratos + Titans ----> overthrow the rule of the zeus who acts like an asshole.

What do you think of kratos ...do you still feel he has a purpose or do you believe that this is a position he put himself and deserves to die?

Besides, story isnt everything. Gameplay was largely better in God of War II.


 



MetalGearSolid_4ever on 27 October 2009
jesus kung fu magic said:
MetalGearSolid_4ever said:
First of all it wasn't athens. It was rhodes.
In God of War, Kratos got himself nearly killed by the Barbarian King because he wanted to spread the glory of Sparta, that was his ultimate mission. He was promised his memories cleaned and was promised peace in exchange of Ares' death. However in the end, the gods say that what he had done was horrible and cannot be cleaned. Therefore he is pissed at the gods for breaking their promise and pissed at himself for the things he did.
His only joy comes in the form of the "glory of sparta" which he intended to achieve when he was a mortal. So he helps his native people to spread its glory..simple as that.
Zeus who is afraid that Kratos would one day, try to be the king of the gods by overturning his rule, just as to he himslef did to Kronos, out of fear - kills kratos..who comes back from the dead seeking vengeance as it was because of the gods that he lost his family and he get those nightmares about himself, and they stabbed him in the back after he had done everything they had asked for.

Ive addressed everything in earlier posts except the bolded which I dont understand.......Kratos had ZERO support from the gods after becoming the God Of War..to be the king of gods you need the support of the gods.

The thing is, Kratos had no intention of becoming the king of the gods ! why would zeus kill him other than to protect his rule (out of fear, because kratos killed his son when he was a mortal...imagine what he could do as a god!)..meaning he wouldnt even need support and how the hell do we know even if he did have support ? we werent show any of those things.

 

Bottom line is this thread FAILS hard. check my previous post with the red text and buy the collection this november and refresh your memories Jman.



jesus kung fu magic on 27 October 2009
Torillian said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
MetalGearSolid_4ever said:
First of all it wasn't athens. It was rhodes.
In God of War, Kratos got himself nearly killed by the Barbarian King because he wanted to spread the glory of Sparta, that was his ultimate mission. He was promised his memories cleaned and was promised peace in exchange of Ares' death. However in the end, the gods say that what he had done was horrible and cannot be cleaned. Therefore he is pissed at the gods for breaking their promise and pissed at himself for the things he did.
His only joy comes in the form of the "glory of sparta" which he intended to achieve when he was a mortal. So he helps his native people to spread its glory..simple as that.
Zeus who is afraid that Kratos would one day, try to be the king of the gods by overturning his rule, just as to he himslef did to Kronos, out of fear - kills kratos..who comes back from the dead seeking vengeance as it was because of the gods that he lost his family and he get those nightmares about himself, and they stabbed him in the back after he had done everything they had asked for.

Ive addressed everything in earlier posts except the bolded which I dont understand.......Kratos had ZERO support from the gods after becoming the God Of War..to be the king of gods you need the support of the gods.

Where did you adress the fact that he was attacking Rhodes and not Athens?  That was the entire point of your OP was that that action made no sense and yer right it doesn't make sense.  Thank goodness it didn't actually happen because that would've been confusing.

You do realize that even if he attacked rhodes....it makes it even more confusing because to my limited knowledge of greek mythology it isnt "owned" by any gods...therefore it has nothing to do with kratos.



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MetalGearSolid_4ever on 27 October 2009

^^^
what the hell does that post even mean ? what is so confusing...
he attacked rhodes to make it a part of the spartan empire.