Avinash_Tyagi said: silicon said: Avinash_Tyagi said: silicon said: Avinash_Tyagi said: No one has given a reason that isn't ridiculous why Nintendo should launch their next gen console in 2011 Looking at current sales, its crushing PS3 and 360, and doing better than even PS2 on a weekly basis, even down year on year Not to mention making more profit than MS and Sony's consoles, so why would Nintendo be the first to launch? They're already coming out with a new DSi It's not a bad idea to come out with a new Wii model to replace Wiis in existing homes.   Wii can't sell forever.     New DSi is stil the same system, just with larger screens, you can't really revise the Wii Wii can't sell forever, but its still selling Wii HD could just be a Wii with upgraded graphics and up-conversion to HD resolution.   That would create problems as Wii HD games wouldn't play on normal Wii's

Nintendo will heavily advertise the Wii HD in order for it to replace the Wii.

Also keep in mind Nintendo is in a good position to maintain and expand it's market share. Also this is talking about releasing a new Wii in 2 years. The market in 2 years could be drastically different.

Wii sales will eventually drop, and in two years the amount of homes with HD tvs will be a lot larger. The homes with new HD tvs, who already have a Wii or are casually interested in gaming, will likely want to move to HD consoles. Having an HD upgrade available for the Wii is better for Nintendo than having no option.

 

On a side note: Wii HD may also not even have any physical media. Carmack predicted that the next Wii will be digital distribution only.

^That's still not a good reason to release a new Wii, you'd still lose sales, and profits, even in two years, the Wii will still likely be outselling its competition by a good margin, and making big profits, the idea of releasing a new Wii and sacrificing those profits and sales is foolish, all you'll be doing is angering consumers and cutting into your profit margins, for no worthwhile gain. People don't care about HD graphics, as they've shown in the sales of the Wii over the HD consoles. And Nintendo said that their next console will have physical media Your argument is flawed

Slimebeast said: Well, this generation has peaked so it's about time to start thinking of next gen. I can't wait to next gen. I love this gen but I want it to be over while the X360 is on top lol.

lol wut?

Avinash_Tyagi said: ^That's still not a good reason to release a new Wii, you'd still lose sales, and profits, even in two years, the Wii will still likely be outselling its competition by a good margin, and making big profits, the idea of releasing a new Wii and sacrificing those profits and sales is foolish, all you'll be doing is angering consumers and cutting into your profit margins, for no worthwhile gain. People don't care about HD graphics, as they've shown in the sales of the Wii over the HD consoles. And Nintendo said that their next console will have physical media Your argument is terribly flawed

Keep in mind this is supposed to be a discussiong of Nintendo releasing a new or upgraded Wii console in 2 years and not now.

I'm not sure what you mean by lose sales and profits. The Wii will continue to sell... making a new console does not stop the producing of the Wii or selling the Wii. Also I think you're saying that if there is a new console people will buy the new console instead of the Wii. But the Wii already had a price cut, and will likely see another price cut again within the next 2 years. These price cuts already significantly reduced the profit margins. This loss is already more than introducing another console that will have a much higher profit margin.

Also, there was a prediction that Blu-ray would hit the mass market next year, as well as the fact that all TVs currently on sale are HD. Eventually all TVs in peoples homes will be replaced by HD tvs. The price of those TVs will be cheaper making them accessible to everyone. In order to capitalize on new consumers with HD tvs, creating an HD option for the Wii provides another avenue to make profit. Eventually the Wii console will have have peak penetration, creating an upgrade option creates a way of generating profit. A Wii HD is also an option for the people who do prefer having an HD console.

Nintendo would also be considering SONY's and Microsofts decisions as well. While SONY's motion sensor will likely not effect the Wii, Natal has the potential to hurt the Wii's lifetime sales. If and when the mass market consumers switch to HD, a Natal X360 would be a more compelling option than a old Wii. At the same SONY and MS have their engineering teams working on new hardware.

Nintedo also has teams of engineers who are likely already working on the next Wii.

Also, which consumers would be angry by an HD Wii? Consumers did not get angry with the released of the DSi, or Iphone 3G or 4G. New models has become a part of electronics industry. If consumers do get angry, Nintendo will have a large enough marketing budget to change the minds of the casual users in the market.

It seems as though you believe that the Wii will sell at the same rate forever because people like the Wii now. If you don't agree, what do you think Nintendos plans are? Also, if they don't release a Wii in 2 years, is it 3 or 5 or 20?

 

 

Nintendo might have said their next console will have physical media, but the industry wants digital distribution and it's just a matter of time.

 

silicon said: Avinash_Tyagi said: ^That's still not a good reason to release a new Wii, you'd still lose sales, and profits, even in two years, the Wii will still likely be outselling its competition by a good margin, and making big profits, the idea of releasing a new Wii and sacrificing those profits and sales is foolish, all you'll be doing is angering consumers and cutting into your profit margins, for no worthwhile gain. People don't care about HD graphics, as they've shown in the sales of the Wii over the HD consoles. And Nintendo said that their next console will have physical media Your argument is terribly flawed Keep in mind this is supposed to be a discussiong of Nintendo releasing a new or upgraded Wii console in 2 years and not now. I'm not sure what you mean by lose sales and profits. The Wii will continue to sell... making a new console does not stop the producing of the Wii or selling the Wii. Also I think you're saying that if there is a new console people will buy the new console instead of the Wii. But the Wii already had a price cut, and will likely see another price cut again within the next 2 years. These price cuts already significantly reduced the profit margins. This loss is already more than introducing another console that will have a much higher profit margin. Also, there was a prediction that Blu-ray would hit the mass market next year, as well as the fact that all TVs currently on sale are HD. Eventually all TVs in peoples homes will be replaced by HD tvs. The price of those TVs will be cheaper making them accessible to everyone. In order to capitalize on new consumers with HD tvs, creating an HD option for the Wii provides another avenue to make profit. Eventually the Wii console will have have peak penetration, creating an upgrade option creates a way of generating profit. A Wii HD is also an option for the people who do prefer having an HD console. Nintendo would also be considering SONY's and Microsofts decisions as well. While SONY's motion sensor will likely not effect the Wii, Natal has the potential to hurt the Wii's lifetime sales. If and when the mass market consumers switch to HD, a Natal X360 would be a more compelling option than a old Wii. At the same SONY and MS have their engineering teams working on new hardware. Nintedo also has teams of engineers who are likely already working on the next Wii. Also, which consumers would be angry by an HD Wii? Consumers did not get angry with the released of the DSi, or Iphone 3G or 4G. New models has become a part of electronics industry. If consumers do get angry, Nintendo will have a large enough marketing budget to change the minds of the casual users in the market. It seems as though you believe that the Wii will sell at the same rate forever because people like the Wii now. If you don't agree, what do you think Nintendos plans are? Also, if they don't release a Wii in 2 years, is it 3 or 5 or 20?     Nintendo might have said their next console will have physical media, but the industry wants digital distribution and it's just a matter of time.

If its just a Wii with HD graphics, then yes it would cut into Wii sales, and also profits Wii will only see another price cut, if Nintendo stumble again like with Wii music and Animal crossing, Wii sales aren't affected by PS3 and 360 prices, so price cutting isn't needed as long as Nitnendo can keep momentum going. A new console wouldn't have a higher profit margin in two year, since Nintendo will price it at no more than $250 with a game, with the higher hardware, it would have a lower profit margin than Wii at that price. The HD aspect of a console doesn't factor into the buying choices of the market Nintendo is trying to reach, its why games like Wii fit easily crush games like GTA and Halo 3 in sales. NATAL and Sony wand can only affect the Wii, if they are able to have software that can compete with Wii Sports and Wii fit, so far there is no evidence that MS or Sony could, NATAL and the wand will likely not be a success. Working on the next Nintendo system yes, but is it another Wii, not at all likely, it'll be something different than just an HD Wii because the DSi isn't a different piece of hardware, games that play on the DS lite will play on the DSi or the new DSi, an HD Wii wouldn't work the same. I don't think Wii will sell at the same rate, but it'll still make more profit and sales than the competition, so no need to release a new system. Nintendo will launch at the same time or a year after its competitors, so if Sony and MS launch in 2012, then expect 2012-2013 for Nintendo's next console. When has Nintendo ever listened to what the industry wants? The industry can say what it wants, but Nintendo tries to do what customers want, not what the industry wants.

darthdevidem01 said: Slimebeast said: Well, this generation has peaked so it's about time to start thinking of next gen. I can't wait to next gen. I love this gen but I want it to be over while the X360 is on top lol. lol wut?

It's still on top of PS3.

32 mill versus 25 mill.

Slimebeast said: darthdevidem01 said: Slimebeast said: Well, this generation has peaked so it's about time to start thinking of next gen. I can't wait to next gen. I love this gen but I want it to be over while the X360 is on top lol. lol wut? It's still on top of PS3. 32 mill versus 25 mill.

makingmusic476 said: The jump from this... The job listing is actually over on Gamasutra, and is looking to fill jobs for Software Engineer: System and Tools, Rendering Engineer, and Senior Engineer: PlayStation 3. The jobs are also listed as "contract," so those looking for a salary with benefits will need to look elsewhere. The job also requires seven years experience and knowledge of the PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii, and Sony's PSP. ...to this... EA's Los Angeles studio is now hiring for "next generation" platforms. ...is quite a stretch.

So... this dictates what? >_>

Khuutra said: Slimebeast said: darthdevidem01 said: Slimebeast said: Well, this generation has peaked so it's about time to start thinking of next gen. I can't wait to next gen. I love this gen but I want it to be over while the X360 is on top lol. lol wut? It's still on top of PS3. 32 mill versus 25 mill.

lol this is so true

Overall this generation is going to be around for a bit longer than people may think.

The last thing people want to think about at the moment is upgrading to the new 720/PS4/WiiHD in the next few years when there are so may people still not upgrading from the PS2 yet.

IMHO, the Wii is a totally different kettle of fish, there is a huge audience of people wanting a Wii that would not have traditionally bought into the games market, so you can't realistically include Wii sales numbers as lost PS2 > PS3/360 upgrades. It is a games machine that is totally casual in comparison to the 360/PS3.

We have yet to see a huge number of PS2 owners upgrading to either the 360 or PS3 and TBH, this is what will make this generation (with respect to the 360 and PS3) last that little bit longer.

Also, even although the PS3 is last at the moment, it is currently passed original Xbox number already and is starting to pick up steam down to the better games library and more attractive pricing.

I honestly can't see a PS4 (unless PS3 sales effectively stop over the next 1-2 years) until at least late 2012 / early 2013.

It will need a serious 6/7 years on the market.