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tarheel91 on 26 October 2009

I've never used a gun, much less owned one, and never plan on it either. However, I can't understand how people think every gun-related issue would magically be solved by gun-control laws. You honestly believe most gun-related homicides involve guns that are legally acquired? Pro-tip: Someone who kills someone is breaking a law. A big one. One that get you life in prison or even death. Do you really think they'd care about breaking a much smaller one. Even in cases like this, where someone goes crazy and uses a gun to do something terrible like this, does anyone honestly think this guy would magically became rational if he had a knife instead of a gun? This guy KILLED his SON over a VIDEO GAME. I really don't think the added effort of a knife was going to calm him down or reduce his rage.



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perpride on 26 October 2009
Gnizmo said:
perpride said:
Fuck this father. Who the fuck shoots their own flesh and blood over a video game?

And to those in here talking about how hard it is for Obama to change the constitution, then where are we to look? If the most powerful man on the planet isn't the one to initiate it, are we supposed to accept that one of the richest and most advanced country's in the world simply has a HUUUGE flaw in their constitution? Come on guys, we know better than this. It is no longer the 1700's.

@Gnizmo - why does it matter whether it was the person or the gun??? Actually, an issue like this is a direct indicator of necessary change to gun laws. Yes, this man is crazy. Yes, this man could have killed his son using a knife. But let's step back from this scenario for a minute. What if this man had decided to go on a rampage. Do you think he'd get to more people with an AK47 or a butcher knife? Crazy people exist everywhere. Murderers and sociopaths have been around as long as human beings have. Seems like a good enough reason not to let people own firearms.

It's actually kind of depressing.

What if he had decided to go have angry sex with a hooker instead? What if counts for nothing. The reality is a man did one of the worst things imaginable. Trying to say it would not have happened in a world without guns removes all personal responsibility, and removes much of the blame from where it belongs. The gun gave him no extra options. This is a tragedy of improper rage management.

So how exactly do you explain the redicolousley high murder rate in the United States? I live in Canada, we don't have things like Columbine happen here. We don't have fathers shooting their children over video games. We don't have kids in kindergarden accidentally taking a gun to school and shooting little girls. Yes, people are killed here too, but the number don't even compare to America. This is a tragedy of improper rage management. Agreed. Having guns in every household does not help rage management. The murder rate in the States speaks for itself really.

And how about we turn this little thing around, could you please tell me why you are against gun control? Self defense is a joke of an excuse.



perpride on 26 October 2009
themanwithnoname said:
Some of you guys, are quite frankly, full of crap. Gnizmo is right on the money here. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Some of you were saying "Hey, what if the father had a knife instead?" You know what I say? "Hey, what if the father didn't want to kill his son instead?" Quit trying to blame the weapon without blaming the person. I'm sure there are millions of gun owners in the country who can make it through their lives without murdering people, and blaming the guns is ignoring the problem at hand, which is murder, and last time I checked, you didn't need a gun if you wanted to murder somebody. Using this to crusade an ammendment change is ridiculous.

umm...what? Guns don't kill people. People kill people. I agree completely. So let's let all people have access to guns??? WTF are you talking about? We are full of crap?



richardhutnik on 26 October 2009

Father was drunk, but no one cares to think about the effect alcohol has on people, and its ability to drive people to lose control.  Also, we get this due to the increased popularity of videogames.  If the father was into stamp collecting, the argument could of been over stamps that were missing.  And then, it was a situation that spiraled out of control, and the videogame alone didn't.



themanwithnoname on 26 October 2009
perpride said:
themanwithnoname said:
Some of you guys, are quite frankly, full of crap. Gnizmo is right on the money here. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Some of you were saying "Hey, what if the father had a knife instead?" You know what I say? "Hey, what if the father didn't want to kill his son instead?" Quit trying to blame the weapon without blaming the person. I'm sure there are millions of gun owners in the country who can make it through their lives without murdering people, and blaming the guns is ignoring the problem at hand, which is murder, and last time I checked, you didn't need a gun if you wanted to murder somebody. Using this to crusade an ammendment change is ridiculous.

umm...what? Guns don't kill people. People kill people. I agree completely. So let's let all people have access to guns??? WTF are you talking about? We are full of crap?

The fact that you think someone would give a damn about breaking a gun control law when they are going to murder somebody makes your argument full of crap. As I've said, many gun owners make it through their lives without killing somebody. So what if someone's house gets robbed and the robber kills everyone inside of it? The gun wouldn'tve been so bad to have then, would it? But by all means, let's continue to think that problems would go away just by banning guns.



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richardhutnik on 26 October 2009
perpride said:
Gnizmo said:
perpride said:
Fuck this father. Who the fuck shoots their own flesh and blood over a video game?

And to those in here talking about how hard it is for Obama to change the constitution, then where are we to look? If the most powerful man on the planet isn't the one to initiate it, are we supposed to accept that one of the richest and most advanced country's in the world simply has a HUUUGE flaw in their constitution? Come on guys, we know better than this. It is no longer the 1700's.

@Gnizmo - why does it matter whether it was the person or the gun??? Actually, an issue like this is a direct indicator of necessary change to gun laws. Yes, this man is crazy. Yes, this man could have killed his son using a knife. But let's step back from this scenario for a minute. What if this man had decided to go on a rampage. Do you think he'd get to more people with an AK47 or a butcher knife? Crazy people exist everywhere. Murderers and sociopaths have been around as long as human beings have. Seems like a good enough reason not to let people own firearms.

It's actually kind of depressing.

What if he had decided to go have angry sex with a hooker instead? What if counts for nothing. The reality is a man did one of the worst things imaginable. Trying to say it would not have happened in a world without guns removes all personal responsibility, and removes much of the blame from where it belongs. The gun gave him no extra options. This is a tragedy of improper rage management.

So how exactly do you explain the redicolousley high murder rate in the United States? I live in Canada, we don't have things like Columbine happen here. We don't have fathers shooting their children over video games. We don't have kids in kindergarden accidentally taking a gun to school and shooting little girls. Yes, people are killed here too, but the number don't even compare to America. This is a tragedy of improper rage management. Agreed. Having guns in every household does not help rage management. The murder rate in the States speaks for itself really.

And how about we turn this little thing around, could you please tell me why you are against gun control? Self defense is a joke of an excuse.

Multiple factors contribute to high death rate from guns.  As I see it, America has a culture of dependence on foreign substance to manage moods.  The argument is over how it is done.  The default drug is alcohol here, and that leads to a LOT of problems, which was a major push for Prohibition last century.



Gnizmo on 26 October 2009
perpride said:

So how exactly do you explain the redicolousley high murder rate in the United States? I live in Canada, we don't have things like Columbine happen here. We don't have fathers shooting their children over video games. We don't have kids in kindergarden accidentally taking a gun to school and shooting little girls. Yes, people are killed here too, but the number don't even compare to America. This is a tragedy of improper rage management. Agreed. Having guns in every household does not help rage management. The murder rate in the States speaks for itself really.

And how about we turn this little thing around, could you please tell me why you are against gun control? Self defense is a joke of an excuse.

I have not said one thing in regards to the death rare in America, my stance on gun laws, or anything related to what you posted. I haven't because I am against exactly that. Read my posts, and I will respond to you with something substantial. Until then I will not waste my time repeating myself.



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Gnizmo on 26 October 2009
KylieDog said:

 

You are being very short sighted.  Supposing he did not have a gun and used a knife instead, the chances of surviving being stabbed are much higher than the chances of surviving a gunshot.

Then we would be taking about a father who had repeatedly stabbed their child in the heat of the moment rather than shot him. Read the story. They were face to face. So close, in fact, that the boy tried to knock the gun away. At that range a knife is not significantly less deadly in the hands of one who intends to murder someone. This is not a story about gun violence. This is a tragic story of a family that has been shattered by the most horrific tragedy ever.



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AlkamistStar on 26 October 2009

Wow, this is sick. He killed his son for a video game...just when i thought i heard it all regarding video game killings. My god, this man doesn't even deserve a court hearing, send his ass straight to prison for life.



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AlkamistStar on 26 October 2009
richardhutnik said:
perpride said:
Gnizmo said:
perpride said:
Fuck this father. Who the fuck shoots their own flesh and blood over a video game?

And to those in here talking about how hard it is for Obama to change the constitution, then where are we to look? If the most powerful man on the planet isn't the one to initiate it, are we supposed to accept that one of the richest and most advanced country's in the world simply has a HUUUGE flaw in their constitution? Come on guys, we know better than this. It is no longer the 1700's.

@Gnizmo - why does it matter whether it was the person or the gun??? Actually, an issue like this is a direct indicator of necessary change to gun laws. Yes, this man is crazy. Yes, this man could have killed his son using a knife. But let's step back from this scenario for a minute. What if this man had decided to go on a rampage. Do you think he'd get to more people with an AK47 or a butcher knife? Crazy people exist everywhere. Murderers and sociopaths have been around as long as human beings have. Seems like a good enough reason not to let people own firearms.

It's actually kind of depressing.

What if he had decided to go have angry sex with a hooker instead? What if counts for nothing. The reality is a man did one of the worst things imaginable. Trying to say it would not have happened in a world without guns removes all personal responsibility, and removes much of the blame from where it belongs. The gun gave him no extra options. This is a tragedy of improper rage management.

So how exactly do you explain the redicolousley high murder rate in the United States? I live in Canada, we don't have things like Columbine happen here. We don't have fathers shooting their children over video games. We don't have kids in kindergarden accidentally taking a gun to school and shooting little girls. Yes, people are killed here too, but the number don't even compare to America. This is a tragedy of improper rage management. Agreed. Having guns in every household does not help rage management. The murder rate in the States speaks for itself really.

And how about we turn this little thing around, could you please tell me why you are against gun control? Self defense is a joke of an excuse.

Multiple factors contribute to high death rate from guns.  As I see it, America has a culture of dependence on foreign substance to manage moods.  The argument is over how it is done.  The default drug is alcohol here, and that leads to a LOT of problems, which was a major push for Prohibition last century.


Doesn't it pretty much wrap up to...people kill people? I mean...in the end that's what it is, regardless of the method of killing. While guns aren't to blame for killing someone - directly (because a gun can't fire itself) it's a MOTIVATOR. You can have an "innocent"/humble person turn into a murderer because a gun was avaliable to them. As for there being a law against this, or a law against that...no set law can fix this...but stricter methods has to be implemented in the systems already enforced.



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