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Alright lets start by saying I have never been the biggest Sony fan. I did however own every Sony platform that has come out and while the GameCube and 360 have taken up most of my time and not the PS2 or PS3 I think my opinion is still fairly unbiased. So I just bought a PS3 this year and the limited catalogue has left me only purchasing a few choice games. I have yet to buy a single multiplatform title due to my 360 which I buy them all for. So what are the weaknesses I see with the PS3!

Game Prices

Much like the GameCube when it was failing, the PS3 has extremely high software prices. An old 2007 game still goes for 69.99$ here in Canada and a few have dropped to 59.99$. However other then sports games the majority of the PS3 library is more expensive then the competition. I can buy a brand new Nintendo title for 49.99$ or a brand new X-Box titles for 59.99$.

Development costs

Keeping software prices high is the really high dev costs of the PS3. A bigger budget title on PS3 is no cheaper then 15 mill, while on the Wii its only 4-mill and 360 about 8-mill. This means titles have to sell far higher amounts to break even or turn a profit, this leads to fewer titles being developed.

Porting difficulties

The 360 is essentially a computer and porting titles to and from PC to 360 is fairly cost effective. However the PS3's cell processor is far harder to port titles too. This has lead to alot more 360/PC exclusives and not nearly as many solid multiplatform titles on the PS3.

Hardware costs

Up untill this fall the PS3 has steadily sold for at least 100$ more then its main competition (X-360) and hundreds above the biggest market holder Nintendo's Wii. This high price prevented anyone other then early adapters and die hard fanboys from purchasing a PS3. Today the PS3 Slim is starting to fly off the shelves and thanks to the price cut and Slim the PS3 has actually outsold the Wii and 360 for the month of September.

Classics online

Online Sony's faced stiff competition from Nintendo's virtual console. With far fewer classic platforms represented on Sony's platform it has suffered from a lack of a solid library. However recent announcements that DreamCast and PS2 titles will be hitting Sony's online store theirs a chance that Sony could start turning the tables on their main classic competitor Nintendo.

Online Network

Many will point out that much like Nintendo Sony's online network has failed to compete with Microsoft's X-Box Live. However many big online titles like M.A.G are hitting shelves soon and this gives Sony a chance to turn the tables and show innovation online where Microsoft doesn't currently rule!

Bluray

A major flaw in Sony's marketing was the BluRay. Sony was pushing a new platform on the world trying to convince people to turn away from the competition's HD-DVD and the classic format of choice DVD. BluRay won the battle less then a year ago and is rapidly being adopted leading likely to higher PS3 sales. However early on people were afraid to buy PS3 as a BluRay player unsure of whether the platform held future potential.

Motion Controller

Nintendo had this one down. They were the only platform with a motion controller. However Sony's has announced their new motion controller to launch in 2010. This controller will level the playing field giving them a better chance at competing with Nintendo's motion controller and Microsoft's Project Natal!

So Why Should Sony sit out next gen?

 

This is simple, when the PS3 was launched Sony said that they expected the PS3 to have a 10 year life cycle. So why shouldn't Sony release the PS4 in 2011 when Nintendo and Microsoft should both have their platforms ready? All the above reasons for the PS3's failure are reasons for Sony to stick with the PS3 for another generation.

Graphically Nintendo and Microsoft are playing catch up. Chances are their next gen platforms will be 2x maybe 3x as powerful as the PS3 at best. The competition's platforms will also cost about 300$-600$ making them less attractive to consumers then a 200$ PS3. With BluRay just catching on the PS3 has a big advantage over the competition, but all indications point to a complete download platform (PS4) instead of remaining with BluRay disks. The success of BluRay will lead to millions of more PS3's being sold.

When the competition launches their next platforms the dev costs will jump to higher or at best equal to the current prices of developing on PS3. This will mean more titles will be ported or developed on the PlayStation 3 if PS4 is not made availible. Cheaper dev costs will drive software prices down. When software prices begin to dip to say 49.99$ a new game or even 29.99$ for an older title sales will also begin to improve. Software sales will begin to turn the PS3 into a behemoth.

Would it make sense to launch a motion controller in 2010 just to replace the platform in 2011? Some will speculate that the motion controller may launch for the PS4 instead of for the PS3. However that would leave Sony's platform at a higher cost then the Nintendo competition who will likely launch their next platform for about 300$ as they always have in the past.

Lastly market share. When Nintendo and Microsoft launch a new platform they will be back to square one. They will have to start all over with 0% of the market. However if Sony chooses to keep the PS3 around instead of replacing it with PS4 they start with a huge install base and a massive percentage of the market.

 

So what should Sony do come 2010 instead of launching the PS4?

 

Launch another model of the PS3. A PS3 slim with the new motion controller and at least one game and BluRay movie included. Make another price drop to 200$ and watch the platform fly off the shelves, seeing a software and movie sales boost. Sony can sit back and watch their disaster (PS3, launch) turn into a cash cow!

 



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Why would any company launch a new console next year. Also I think the ps3 has a fine library of games



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The PS3 is hardly a 'Disaster'. Come on....

 



...I don't know about canada but here in the states game prices are comparative to compitition... Its a good thing Canada is a fraction of the US sales and a tiny fraction of global sales or that might be something to worry about...

EDIT: Oh, and with this one post I knock out your development cost reason too since you relate it to game prices... next time you want to make different points try and make them hold on their own or else one sentance can knock out two reasons,



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the ps3 games are about the same price as the 360 games here in the states. and you say I can buy a sports game for the wii...it's hardly the same thing



I'm not martin luther king. I don't have a dream. I have a plan

Sell a man a fish you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish you just ruined a perfect business opportunity.

We didn't emerge out of the stone age because we ran out of stones. Its time to be proactive not reactive.

Game Prices: I'd say it's about the same all around, except with the 360 having a slight advantage since a lot of its library is older (due to it launching a year earlier than the PS3 and Wii).

Development Costs: Man, did you make these costs up or what? Mind actually providing a source?

Porting Difficulties: Most of the best selling and critically acclaimed multiplatforms of this generation have been on the PS3 anyways. It doesn't matter.

Hardware Costs: So......not a problem then?

Classics Online: The market for retro games isn't that humongous or important anyways. A nice bonus, but nothing to fret about.

Online Network: A lot of the advantages that Xbox Live has are things that I'll always felt are pointless. But ehh, whatever...

Blu-ray: I'd say the format actually helped the PS3 early on (when it was one of the cheapest players), and it should continue to help it for the rest of this gen.

Motion Controller: They'll still be nowhere near competing with Nintendo.

There's a reason big companies generally don't skip generations. It's not a smart idea. It may sound good to you, but what happens when all the interest is on the Wii 2 and the Nextbox? Sony's PS3 won't look very appealing at all.



 

 

um....NO
wii 2 - 2012
xbox 3 - 2013-14
Playstation 4 - 2014-15 i dont think it will launch before then, plus this is the end of them all launching at the same time really



Lodder, you're right, it's not a disaster.

But PS3 started the Playstation brand decline.
Playstation 2 destroyed the competition, Sony had a 130 million userbase. Sony was the market leader. A giant.

Now, 4 years into this generation (3 years for the PS3), Sony is in 3rd and last place, and many PS2 users went for the 360.

The PS3 is not crushing the competition, and will likely finish 3rd at the end of this gen.

BUT it's not a disaster, because the PS3 has really good games and people who bought it are happy (I'm one of them).
Just like the Dreamcast in the old days.



     

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Wait, did you seriously make up the development cost?



 

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