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shio on 28 October 2009
Xelloss said:

Maybe console sales, console sales will probably be high. I do not think they are going to get the response they hoped for from the PC community. If they sell a bunch on console so what, we already all knew console sales for many console FPS are higher than sales for PC FPS when they are multi-platform AAA titles. CoD being probably the biggest hit with console gamers, aside from Halo. Some PC FPS franchises, notably Valves still sell millions on PC but arent nearly as hot on console.

IW thought they would be able to garner Valve-type sales on the PC by using Steam and consolifying MW2 even more than MW1, and reach "Valvehood" on the PC. They determined their existing fanbase was a detriment to sales.

They are about to face the reality of the market, and the PC gamer market is not going to reward their behavior. Fans of console style FPS mechanics... mostly already have or would buy a 250$ xbox, people dont typically spend 1k$ on a PC for the purpose of playing console games on the PC.

It's all about the situation the game is released. Almost multiplatform FPS games whose PC version is not consolized nor delayed, and doesn't have a sequel coming within the next 2 years, will sell better on PC than on any console.

The thing is that the way FPS franchises are handled on consoles is detrimental to the sales of the PC versions. Usually, Most sales of PC games come AFTER the it's been released for a year. But the publishers don't play at PC's sales strength, and instead they release sequels just a year after, cutting off alot of the sales of PC versions, in order to sell it to the consoles (where most of their sales are made in the first month of release).



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Ail on 28 October 2009
shio said:
madkiller said:

Shio, if you think Activision cares what you think or that MW2 is going to sell anything less than a bajillion copies then you sir are in need of counseling...

I'm pretty sure that Activision cares when a game sells less than expected.

You do realize than for a game like MW2 PC sales represent less than 10% of total sales ?

PC sales could be down 50% compared to CoD4 and the game could still easilly outsell CoD4....



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Ail on 28 October 2009
shio said:
Xelloss said:

Maybe console sales, console sales will probably be high. I do not think they are going to get the response they hoped for from the PC community. If they sell a bunch on console so what, we already all knew console sales for many console FPS are higher than sales for PC FPS when they are multi-platform AAA titles. CoD being probably the biggest hit with console gamers, aside from Halo. Some PC FPS franchises, notably Valves still sell millions on PC but arent nearly as hot on console.

IW thought they would be able to garner Valve-type sales on the PC by using Steam and consolifying MW2 even more than MW1, and reach "Valvehood" on the PC. They determined their existing fanbase was a detriment to sales.

They are about to face the reality of the market, and the PC gamer market is not going to reward their behavior. Fans of console style FPS mechanics... mostly already have or would buy a 250$ xbox, people dont typically spend 1k$ on a PC for the purpose of playing console games on the PC.

It's all about the situation the game is released. Almost multiplatform FPS games whose PC version is not consolized nor delayed, and doesn't have a sequel coming within the next 2 years, will sell better on PC than on any console.

The thing is that the way FPS franchises are handled on consoles is detrimental to the sales of the PC versions. Usually, Most sales of PC games come AFTER the it's been released for a year. But the publishers don't play at PC's sales strength, and instead they release sequels just a year after, cutting off alot of the sales of PC versions, in order to sell it to the consoles (where most of their sales are made in the first month of release).

You do realize that those sales that come 1 year after the release usually come at a much lower price point and do not generate that much profit right ?



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

shio on 28 October 2009
Ail said:
shio said:
madkiller said:

Shio, if you think Activision cares what you think or that MW2 is going to sell anything less than a bajillion copies then you sir are in need of counseling...

I'm pretty sure that Activision cares when a game sells less than expected.

You do realize than for a game like MW2 PC sales represent less than 10% of total sales ?

PC sales could be down 50% compared to CoD4 and the game could still easilly outsell CoD4....

Do you seriously believe that COD4 only 1.3 millions on PC?! That it sold much less than Stalker?!

I believe that COD4 will would probably not be far from 10 millions sold on PC.

Ail said:
shio said:
Xelloss said:

Maybe console sales, console sales will probably be high. I do not think they are going to get the response they hoped for from the PC community. If they sell a bunch on console so what, we already all knew console sales for many console FPS are higher than sales for PC FPS when they are multi-platform AAA titles. CoD being probably the biggest hit with console gamers, aside from Halo. Some PC FPS franchises, notably Valves still sell millions on PC but arent nearly as hot on console.

IW thought they would be able to garner Valve-type sales on the PC by using Steam and consolifying MW2 even more than MW1, and reach "Valvehood" on the PC. They determined their existing fanbase was a detriment to sales.

They are about to face the reality of the market, and the PC gamer market is not going to reward their behavior. Fans of console style FPS mechanics... mostly already have or would buy a 250$ xbox, people dont typically spend 1k$ on a PC for the purpose of playing console games on the PC.

It's all about the situation the game is released. Almost multiplatform FPS games whose PC version is not consolized nor delayed, and doesn't have a sequel coming within the next 2 years, will sell better on PC than on any console.

The thing is that the way FPS franchises are handled on consoles is detrimental to the sales of the PC versions. Usually, Most sales of PC games come AFTER the it's been released for a year. But the publishers don't play at PC's sales strength, and instead they release sequels just a year after, cutting off alot of the sales of PC versions, in order to sell it to the consoles (where most of their sales are made in the first month of release).

You do realize that those sales that come 1 year after the release usually come at a much lower price point and do not generate that much profit right ?

Irrelevant, because not only are PC games royalty free, but they also have a huge profit on the Digital sales (which now sell more than retail copies). It kind of evens out.



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Ail on 28 October 2009
shio said:
Ail said:
shio said:
madkiller said:

Shio, if you think Activision cares what you think or that MW2 is going to sell anything less than a bajillion copies then you sir are in need of counseling...

I'm pretty sure that Activision cares when a game sells less than expected.

You do realize than for a game like MW2 PC sales represent less than 10% of total sales ?

PC sales could be down 50% compared to CoD4 and the game could still easilly outsell CoD4....

Do you seriously believe that COD4 only 1.3 millions on PC?! That it sold much less than Stalker?!

I believe that COD4 will would probably not be far from 10 millions sold on PC.

Ail said:
shio said:
Xelloss said:

Maybe console sales, console sales will probably be high. I do not think they are going to get the response they hoped for from the PC community. If they sell a bunch on console so what, we already all knew console sales for many console FPS are higher than sales for PC FPS when they are multi-platform AAA titles. CoD being probably the biggest hit with console gamers, aside from Halo. Some PC FPS franchises, notably Valves still sell millions on PC but arent nearly as hot on console.

IW thought they would be able to garner Valve-type sales on the PC by using Steam and consolifying MW2 even more than MW1, and reach "Valvehood" on the PC. They determined their existing fanbase was a detriment to sales.

They are about to face the reality of the market, and the PC gamer market is not going to reward their behavior. Fans of console style FPS mechanics... mostly already have or would buy a 250$ xbox, people dont typically spend 1k$ on a PC for the purpose of playing console games on the PC.

It's all about the situation the game is released. Almost multiplatform FPS games whose PC version is not consolized nor delayed, and doesn't have a sequel coming within the next 2 years, will sell better on PC than on any console.

The thing is that the way FPS franchises are handled on consoles is detrimental to the sales of the PC versions. Usually, Most sales of PC games come AFTER the it's been released for a year. But the publishers don't play at PC's sales strength, and instead they release sequels just a year after, cutting off alot of the sales of PC versions, in order to sell it to the consoles (where most of their sales are made in the first month of release).

You do realize that those sales that come 1 year after the release usually come at a much lower price point and do not generate that much profit right ?

Irrelevant, because not only are PC games royalty free, but they also have a huge profit on the Digital sales (which now sell more than retail copies). It kind of evens out.

You might want to wake up from whatever imaginary world you are living in...

The first 2 months CoD4 released it sold 3 million units in the US on the 360 and 353k units on the PC in the US at retailers.

That does not take into account Steam, but last I checked Steam didn't have a 50% marketshare for PC sales....

 

More recent information :

Last May Activision Publishing CEO announced that CoD4 had sold over 13 million copies over all platforms.

PS3 + 360 sales at that time were around 12 million.

So that's 1 million PC sales. Not exactly 10 millions eh ?( and if you still find that odd compared to the number of ppls playing it online on the PC, Infinity Ward has already stated they have noticed that the majority of people playing it online on PC were using a pirated version...)



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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shio on 29 October 2009
Ail said:

You might want to wake up from whatever imaginary world you are living in...

The first 2 months CoD4 released it sold 3 million units in the US on the 360 and 353k units on the PC in the US at retailers.

That does not take into account Steam, but last I checked Steam didn't have a 50% marketshare for PC sales....

 

More recent information :

Last May Activision Publishing CEO announced that CoD4 had sold over 13 million copies over all platforms.

PS3 + 360 sales at that time were around 12 million.

So that's 1 million PC sales. Not exactly 10 millions eh ?( and if you still find that odd compared to the number of ppls playing it online on the PC, Infinity Ward has already stated they have noticed that the majority of people playing it online on PC were using a pirated version...)

Let me address you to this post, and let you eat your own words: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2436222

 

And I don't even know why you brought up the piracy issue. I'd expect a great deal of them to not buy many games. It's a good thing that there's over 300 millions PC gamers.

 

 



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shio on 29 October 2009

HOLY HELL! MW2 just dropped to 10th on Steam!!! It is soon dropping out of the best sellers chart.

It took a whole year for COD4 to drop from the chart, a MW2 is doing it in just a week!

GG Activision
GG Infinity Ward



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Ail on 29 October 2009
shio said:
Ail said:

You might want to wake up from whatever imaginary world you are living in...

The first 2 months CoD4 released it sold 3 million units in the US on the 360 and 353k units on the PC in the US at retailers.

That does not take into account Steam, but last I checked Steam didn't have a 50% marketshare for PC sales....

 

More recent information :

Last May Activision Publishing CEO announced that CoD4 had sold over 13 million copies over all platforms.

PS3 + 360 sales at that time were around 12 million.

So that's 1 million PC sales. Not exactly 10 millions eh ?( and if you still find that odd compared to the number of ppls playing it online on the PC, Infinity Ward has already stated they have noticed that the majority of people playing it online on PC were using a pirated version...)

Let me address you to this post, and let you eat your own words: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2436222

 

And I don't even know why you brought up the piracy issue. I'd expect a great deal of them to not buy many games. It's a good thing that there's over 300 millions PC gamers.

 

 

Yeah, you're rigfht and the Activision exec is lying through his teeth . You obviously know a lot better how much CoD4 sold than the giuy whose job it is to track this 

What was I thinking ?

/sarcasm off



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

shio on 30 October 2009

Over 171k people have now signed the petition! And MW2 is sitting at 9th on Steam, a very disappointing place for a COD game.



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nightsurge on 30 October 2009
Ail said:
shio said:
Ail said:

You might want to wake up from whatever imaginary world you are living in...

The first 2 months CoD4 released it sold 3 million units in the US on the 360 and 353k units on the PC in the US at retailers.

That does not take into account Steam, but last I checked Steam didn't have a 50% marketshare for PC sales....

 

More recent information :

Last May Activision Publishing CEO announced that CoD4 had sold over 13 million copies over all platforms.

PS3 + 360 sales at that time were around 12 million.

So that's 1 million PC sales. Not exactly 10 millions eh ?( and if you still find that odd compared to the number of ppls playing it online on the PC, Infinity Ward has already stated they have noticed that the majority of people playing it online on PC were using a pirated version...)

Let me address you to this post, and let you eat your own words: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/post.php?id=2436222

 

And I don't even know why you brought up the piracy issue. I'd expect a great deal of them to not buy many games. It's a good thing that there's over 300 millions PC gamers.

 

 

Yeah, you're rigfht and the Activision exec is lying through his teeth . You obviously know a lot better how much CoD4 sold than the giuy whose job it is to track this 

What was I thinking ?

/sarcasm off

Exactly.  Shio will never accept that PC gamers are full of pirating jerks and that's why developers and sales on PC are dropping so much lately in favor of consoles.  Oh and I love how he still links people to his thread of rampant speculation to refer to it as proof. 

I'd say there are probably about 1 million legitimate PC sales of CoD and the rest are all pirated (probably a good million+ of pirated users).  I was on CoD4 on PC the other day and was shocked to see how few servers there were compared to games like Counter Strike Source.  The online community in CoD4 on PC is so much smaller than any other PC FPS I have ever played (CS Source, Call of Duty[the original], BF 1942, BF 2)