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@theprof00

Just look at the proposition of a revolution. Is it what costumers want or is it just what the industry wants to offer? Try to see things from the point of view of someone who want's to buy what the industry is offering and ask yourself why. If you can't come up with a believable answer, then it's very likely it's not consumer based.



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richardhutnik said:
Red4ADevil said:

Every article he writes is keeping me from agreeing or disagreeing with his overall opinion on the current stats of the game industry. He says UGC is what people are not going for but there are tons of mods which at the same time, others think is not true UGC. The subject on DD not being the future of gaming, music etc. (which I whole heartedly agree) has advantages and dissadvanteges, with advatages being in the form of control by the company. as he states;

*Digital distribution is all about control. Whose control? Why, the Technocrati’s of course. Retailers will have no control over what product is put out because they are out of the loop.*
Say goodbye to FYE, GameStop, and many major retailers that sell games, movies, and music. Not to mention stores like Walmart, Best Buy, and Target will loose millions of $ in customers.

*There will be no used goods since the consumer has no control over the product. The consumer doesn’t even have control if he or she can play it at a friend’s house*

Blame digital rights management for it not wii fit. 

I am curious why retailers are going to carry game consoles, if they can't make money off game sales, and use them as loss leaders to get people into stores.


That is quite a pickle. Im guessing they wont have any choice unless they think of the craziest idea and refuse to sell the consoles but thats probably alittle too extreme.



Red4ADevil said:
richardhutnik said:
Red4ADevil said:

Every article he writes is keeping me from agreeing or disagreeing with his overall opinion on the current stats of the game industry. He says UGC is what people are not going for but there are tons of mods which at the same time, others think is not true UGC. The subject on DD not being the future of gaming, music etc. (which I whole heartedly agree) has advantages and dissadvanteges, with advatages being in the form of control by the company. as he states;

*Digital distribution is all about control. Whose control? Why, the Technocrati’s of course. Retailers will have no control over what product is put out because they are out of the loop.*
Say goodbye to FYE, GameStop, and many major retailers that sell games, movies, and music. Not to mention stores like Walmart, Best Buy, and Target will loose millions of $ in customers.

*There will be no used goods since the consumer has no control over the product. The consumer doesn’t even have control if he or she can play it at a friend’s house*

Blame digital rights management for it not wii fit. 

I am curious why retailers are going to carry game consoles, if they can't make money off game sales, and use them as loss leaders to get people into stores.


That is quite a pickle. Im guessing they wont have any choice unless they think of the craziest idea and refuse to sell the consoles but thats probably alittle too extreme.

If the see the floor space could be better used for other things, then they will do it.  I would expect that if downloadable content becomes the norm, that the retailers will have download stations in the stores, and can make money from downloads.  If they go that route, retailers then could be able to stock a near unlimited number of games, with limited space, and come out win-win.  They could also let people try before they buy.  The point in all this is not to mess up your distribution channels.



liquidninja said:
@theprof00

Just look at the proposition of a revolution. Is it what costumers want or is it just what the industry wants to offer? Try to see things from the point of view of someone who want's to buy what the industry is offering and ask yourself why. If you can't come up with a believable answer, then it's very likely it's not consumer based.

Whatabout HD gaming? I'm really confused as per this aspect of the article. Don't consumers want HD? Don't consumers want online multiplayer?

About digital distribution, his point is that nobody wants it. But I don't understand. Maybe not everyone wants it, but there is definitely a desire for it. Wouldn't that make it a niche market strategy? What is this "technocrati movement" other than an appeal to the niche market?



@theprof00
Yes, there is a niche desire for HD and even “Digital Distribution”, but I didn't think by revolution you were talking about a niche market. Also, I don't think the technocrati pushing HD and “Digital Distribution” wanted them to be niche. They wanted everyone to adopt them as the new standard.

He didn't say that nobody wants “Digital Distribution” just that it won't change society, at least not the way it's currently offered.



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I'm just using the term revolution in the way that mal uses it. Anything that is different, apparently.

So, his argument is that these revolutions are overhyped and underwhelming?
Seems more like he wants them to fail because of that.



@theprof00
Malstrom doesn't use the term revolutionary that way. (Not in that post anyway.) He usually means something that's a cultural phenomenon.



What I find funny about the Technocrati is that when one great “next revolution” sputters out, they just invent a new one!
User Generated Content is yet another Technocrati dream.
Now, the “next revolution” is said to be ‘digital distribution’.

Most of the hype I've heard about DD has come from the audience. Especially when BR won, everybody was talking about how it didn't matter because DD was the future.

What I meant previously, was that, while some of those things may not become revolutions, they do market very well to the niche, which eventually sees a strong mainstream support.



Did i say in numerous posts that UGC was Nintendo's dream even the term isnt mainstream yet? That and the CD based gaming? UGC isnt new for Nintendo and certainly it will not be removed in their philosophy in a hundred years. And with mods Ninty thinks UGC have opportunity. Mods, UGC, DLC these are just to make games to have long and have forever value. thats why Half Life was still selling...



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

@yushire

Player Generated Content (User Generated Content) is a new term that's supposed to mean games where the primary content comes from the player and not the publisher. Youtube is User Generated Content. These Forums are User Generated Content.

Games where the primary content comes from the publisher/developer aren't Player Generated Content games.