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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Ail said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Ail said:

Microsoft gaming profit looks like it is up ( games are mixed with HD Zune but overall the profit for that division was up almost 100%).

Can't say for Sony yet, have to wait for their results....

 

You're mixing up stuff by the way.

How is the fact that Nintendo is making a lot of profit good for the industry if very few others players benefit from it???

Show me the third parties reaping huge amount of money thanks to the Wii....( Wii software sales are flat so far this year in US, 360 and PS3 software sales are up ( 360 up 10%. PS3 up 20%)

 

 


Profits are still well below what Nintendo is making on the Wii, and unlike Nintendo, MS lost a ton of money on the Xbox and 360, long before making a profit, Sony is likely to make a loss. Other companies don't make a profit on the Wii, because they don't approach the Wii the way Nintendo does, they think they can dump anything on the Wii and make big sales, but that doesn't work out, that's not Nintendo's fault, but the third parties themselves

Then how can you say Nintendo success is good for industry ?

Nintendo success is good for Nintendo and that's about it.

Whether it rises or fall, it really doesn't look like it's taking anyone with it...


because, even if much of the industry collapses, Nintendo will keep on chugging along, not to mention, they drive much of the growth in the industry and come up with the disruptions needed to keep the industry healthy. The only reason others aren't coming along, is because they aren't trying, they release garbage, and then whine when Wii owners refuse to buy it

That still really doesn't answer my question.

Being good for an industry usually means you have an ecosystem in the industry that benefits from your success and the more you grow, the more all these companies working with you grow too....



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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I think next year we might enter the twilight of Wii's life span-but I think that twilight will be the best part of Wii's lifespan in terms of quality. I expect that twilight phase to last until the end of 2011, or 2012 before a new Nintendo home console comes out. The fact is, Wii could still be a viable platform in 2012 or 2013, and we might see some games that push the hardware in amazing ways even when Nintendo's next home console is on the market.

As it is, I don't think Microsoft or Sony can jump ahead and push a machine out before 2012. They've lost so much money on PS3 and 360, I don't see how they could justify pumping even more money into their videogames sector when other parts of their business are facing stiff competition. Apple gives MS and Sony cause for concern, Google is a big threat to MS, Sony faces tough competition in virtually all of its consumer electronics markets. Neither company has the financial muscle to launch a machine within the next 3 years. They're relying on a long console cycle to recoup at least some part of their losses before launching a new machine.

Nintendo, on the other hand, has generated massive profits and introduced many people to videogames. They've created a highly popular brand that should serve them well in the next generation. But do they want to squeeze the Wii for every penny of profit, or are they going to push out a new home console before their competition can respond? Perhaps they could manage both. It's difficult to tell. Apple, Sony and MS are all gunning for a piece of Nintendo's pie, which is virtually an industry in itself. I genuinely don't know what Nintendo will do.

I do, however, expect the next couple of years to be filled with quality titles on all 3 machines. There are big gems coming in the near future-Galaxy 2, Metroid Other M, GT5, FFXIII, Mass Effect 2... And the biggest gem of all (for me) is just on the horizon-Zelda Wii. Who knows what could be beyond that?

Perhaps instead of speculating what hardware comes next, we can continue to enjoy the great software we're getting. That's what I plan on doing.

This generation doesn't end until I say it ends.



Ail said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Ail said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Ail said:

Microsoft gaming profit looks like it is up ( games are mixed with HD Zune but overall the profit for that division was up almost 100%).

Can't say for Sony yet, have to wait for their results....

 

You're mixing up stuff by the way.

How is the fact that Nintendo is making a lot of profit good for the industry if very few others players benefit from it???

Show me the third parties reaping huge amount of money thanks to the Wii....( Wii software sales are flat so far this year in US, 360 and PS3 software sales are up ( 360 up 10%. PS3 up 20%)

 

 


Profits are still well below what Nintendo is making on the Wii, and unlike Nintendo, MS lost a ton of money on the Xbox and 360, long before making a profit, Sony is likely to make a loss. Other companies don't make a profit on the Wii, because they don't approach the Wii the way Nintendo does, they think they can dump anything on the Wii and make big sales, but that doesn't work out, that's not Nintendo's fault, but the third parties themselves

Then how can you say Nintendo success is good for industry ?

Nintendo success is good for Nintendo and that's about it.

Whether it rises or fall, it really doesn't look like it's taking anyone with it...


because, even if much of the industry collapses, Nintendo will keep on chugging along, not to mention, they drive much of the growth in the industry and come up with the disruptions needed to keep the industry healthy. The only reason others aren't coming along, is because they aren't trying, they release garbage, and then whine when Wii owners refuse to buy it

That still really doesn't answer my question.

Being good for an industry usually means you have an ecosystem in the industry that benefits from your success and the more you grow, the more all these companies working with you grow too....


Sure, companies that work with Nintendo benefit, however, since most third parties view Nintendo as a company they cannot compete with, many have instead avoided developing for the Wii and/or DS and when they do, its usually a poorly made spinoff or port or a well made, but very niche title. Which is why you don't see the benefits more evenly distributed, and why Nintendo makes off with the lions share of profits.

 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi said:
Ail said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Ail said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Ail said:

Microsoft gaming profit looks like it is up ( games are mixed with HD Zune but overall the profit for that division was up almost 100%).

Can't say for Sony yet, have to wait for their results....

 

You're mixing up stuff by the way.

How is the fact that Nintendo is making a lot of profit good for the industry if very few others players benefit from it???

Show me the third parties reaping huge amount of money thanks to the Wii....( Wii software sales are flat so far this year in US, 360 and PS3 software sales are up ( 360 up 10%. PS3 up 20%)

 

 


Profits are still well below what Nintendo is making on the Wii, and unlike Nintendo, MS lost a ton of money on the Xbox and 360, long before making a profit, Sony is likely to make a loss. Other companies don't make a profit on the Wii, because they don't approach the Wii the way Nintendo does, they think they can dump anything on the Wii and make big sales, but that doesn't work out, that's not Nintendo's fault, but the third parties themselves

Then how can you say Nintendo success is good for industry ?

Nintendo success is good for Nintendo and that's about it.

Whether it rises or fall, it really doesn't look like it's taking anyone with it...


because, even if much of the industry collapses, Nintendo will keep on chugging along, not to mention, they drive much of the growth in the industry and come up with the disruptions needed to keep the industry healthy. The only reason others aren't coming along, is because they aren't trying, they release garbage, and then whine when Wii owners refuse to buy it

That still really doesn't answer my question.

Being good for an industry usually means you have an ecosystem in the industry that benefits from your success and the more you grow, the more all these companies working with you grow too....


Sure, companies that work with Nintendo benefit, however, since most third parties view Nintendo as a company they cannot compete with, many have instead avoided developing for the Wii and/or DS and when they do, its usually a poorly made spinoff or port or a well made, but very niche title. Which is why you don't see the benefits more evenly distributed, and why Nintendo makes off with the lions share of profits.

Which is why I'm arguing with you :)

Make Nintendo disappear and the industry won't collapse.

The revenue generated will be a lot lower but mainly due to the loss of Nintendo's revenue...Others players will not collapse due to Nintendo being gone...So in that sense they are not critical to the health of the industry..



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

^Sure it will, because the companies will release more expensive and niche consoles and games, and drive more customers away, and eventually prices will overtop revenues to the point where companies go bankrupt.

Without Nintendo neither SOny or MS would have cut prices as fast, or tried to reach out to the wider audience, you'd be left with fewer consoles in the market than now and more niche games, and less sales. Costs would continue to rise over the years and with lower sales and revenues companies would go bankrupt left and right as their losses mounted, and you'd be faced with another Industry crash, and even worse one, since Nintendo wouldn't be around to pick up the pieces.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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Avinash_Tyagi said:
^Sure it will, because the companies will release more expensive and niche consoles and games, and drive more customers away, and eventually prices will overtop revenues to the point where companies go bankrupt.

Without Nintendo neither SOny or MS would have cut prices as fast, or tried to reach out to the wider audience, you'd be left with fewer consoles in the market than now and more niche games, and less sales. Costs would continue to rise over the years and with lower sales and revenues companies would go bankrupt left and right as their losses mounted, and you'd be faced with another Industry crash, and even worse one, since Nintendo wouldn't be around to pick up the pieces.

Err ?

Sony is still the king at reaching to wider audience, not Nintendo.

The Wii still has to sell 85 millions units to steal the crown...( and that's not looking like a slam dunk..)



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Ail said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^Sure it will, because the companies will release more expensive and niche consoles and games, and drive more customers away, and eventually prices will overtop revenues to the point where companies go bankrupt.

Without Nintendo neither SOny or MS would have cut prices as fast, or tried to reach out to the wider audience, you'd be left with fewer consoles in the market than now and more niche games, and less sales. Costs would continue to rise over the years and with lower sales and revenues companies would go bankrupt left and right as their losses mounted, and you'd be faced with another Industry crash, and even worse one, since Nintendo wouldn't be around to pick up the pieces.

Err ?

Sony is still the king at reaching to wider audience, not Nintendo.

The Wii still has to sell 85 millions units to steal the crown...( and that's not looking like a slam dunk..)


Actually only 78 million, and its actually almost certain, Wii has been overtracking the PS2 not only overall, but in weekly sales for nearly its entire lifetime, not to mention by this point, PS2 was cheaper than the Wii, DS is also well on its way to being the most sold system ever, console or handheld, and this gen, Sony has been terrible at reaching the wider audience, ever since Kaz said $599 back at E3 2006

 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi said:
Ail said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^Sure it will, because the companies will release more expensive and niche consoles and games, and drive more customers away, and eventually prices will overtop revenues to the point where companies go bankrupt.

Without Nintendo neither SOny or MS would have cut prices as fast, or tried to reach out to the wider audience, you'd be left with fewer consoles in the market than now and more niche games, and less sales. Costs would continue to rise over the years and with lower sales and revenues companies would go bankrupt left and right as their losses mounted, and you'd be faced with another Industry crash, and even worse one, since Nintendo wouldn't be around to pick up the pieces.

Err ?

Sony is still the king at reaching to wider audience, not Nintendo.

The Wii still has to sell 85 millions units to steal the crown...( and that's not looking like a slam dunk..)


Actually only 78 million, and its actually almost certain, Wii has been overtracking the PS2 not only overall, but in weekly sales for nearly its entire lifetime, not to mention by this point, PS2 was cheaper than the Wii, DS is also well on its way to being the most sold system ever, console or handheld, and this gen, Sony has been terrible at reaching the wider audience, ever since Kaz said $599 back at E3 2006

I don't think the Wii lifetime will be anywhere as big as the PS2...

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

^The Math says it'll be bigger



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi said:
^The Math says it'll be bigger

Gonna stick to what I think your predictions haven't been so good this gen so far ;) ( 80 million Wii by end of 2009 ?)



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !