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Avinash_Tyagi said:
 

PS3 and 360 motion controls wont succeed, Sony and MS will be forced to launch new consoles.

Why does nintendo need anything new, sales show that it doesn't people prefer Wii over PS3 and 360, even now, Wii HD isn't needed, because consumers don't care

Nintendo doesn't need the 3rd party library of the PS3 and 360, in fact its games outsell third party titles

 

I don't agree, and will try to explain why without being too long...

First, i don't care personally about PS360 motion controls, just like i don't care about PS360 in general... but i don't think these new devices will go unnoticed in the industry, so new games will be made for these...

These new control methods will never have the same userbase as the wiimote, that's for sure, but they will have some success, and development teams will need some time to make really good games for these... you just can't tell them after a year or two: it's already too late, your games have to be ported to our next gen console... doesn't make any sense economically, and if Sony and Microsoft want to have a good relantionship with 3rd parties, it would be a total lack of respect...

Then, as you can see in my sig, i personally don't care about HD, and i don't want the "Wii HD" right now, i'm happy with what i have when it comes to the hardware... but... on the software side, Wii is missing a lot of gems, and the overall quality of many titles could be easily improved with a more powerful hardware... many "avid" gamers do care about such things, and these people are the ones buying 10/20 games a year, while most "casuals" (don't like the word, but anyway) only buy a couple of games each year...

Now, you're right, 41 of the 50 best selling games this gen do appear on Nintendo consoles... and the Top 10 is only made of Nintendo 1st party games... but if NEARLY ALL the best games released on PS360 could easily get ported to Wii, then the console would be a "real" market leader, just like PS2 was the gen before... PS360 would then just have a few exclusives each year to become differentiated, and most important, Wii would have a big enough "core userbase" to convince all the 3rd parties around the world to make high budgets games for it...

Which means more excellent games for us, and even more choice: and that's why i care... it's all about the games, not about the hardware or the graphics themselves...

 



 

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68soul said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
 

PS3 and 360 motion controls wont succeed, Sony and MS will be forced to launch new consoles.

Why does nintendo need anything new, sales show that it doesn't people prefer Wii over PS3 and 360, even now, Wii HD isn't needed, because consumers don't care

Nintendo doesn't need the 3rd party library of the PS3 and 360, in fact its games outsell third party titles

 

I don't agree, and will try to explain why without being too long...

First, i don't care personnally about PS360 motion controls, just like i don't care about PS360 in general... but i don't think these new devices will go unnoticed in the industry, so new games will be made for these...

These new control methods will never have the same userbase as the wiimote, that's for sure, but they will have some success, and development teams will need some time to make really good games for these... you just can't tell them after a year or two: it's already too late, your games have to be ported to our next gen console... doesn't make any sense economically, and if Sony and Microsoft want to have a good relantionship with 3rd parties, it would be a total lack of respect...

Then, as you can see in my sig, i personally don't care about HD, and i don't want the "Wii HD" right now, i'm happy with what i have when it comes to the hardware... but... on the software side, Wii is missing a lot of gems, and the overall quality of many titles could be easily improved with a more powerful hardware... many "avid" gamers do care about such things, and these people are the ones buying 10/20 games a year, while most "casuals" (don't like the word, but anyway) only buy a couple of games each year...

Now, you're right, 41 of the 50 best selling games this gen do appear on Nintendo consoles... and the Top 10 is only made of Nintendo 1st party games... but if NEARLY ALL the best games released on PS360 could easily get ported to Wii, then the console would be a "real" market leader, just like PS2 was the gen before... PS360 would then just have a few exclusives each year to become differentiated, and most important, Wii would have a big enough "core userbase" to convince all the 3rd parties around the world to make high budgets games for it...

Which means more excellent games for us, and even more choice: and that's why i care... it's all about the games, not about the hardware or the graphics themselves...

 

Yes, but in sacrificing the hardware, you sacrifice the low cost. The Wii would be the same price as the HD consoles when it launched. If all big games were ported to Wii, then the Wii would need the same control scheme as the HD consoles. Hang on, same hardware as the HD consoles, same controls as the HD consoles. It would become nothing more than a successor to the GameCube, and would currently be in last place.

So I would say Nintendo made the right decision.



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Kantor said:
 

Yes, but in sacrificing the hardware, you sacrifice the low cost. The Wii would be the same price as the HD consoles when it launched. If all big games were ported to Wii, then the Wii would need the same control scheme as the HD consoles. Hang on, same hardware as the HD consoles, same controls as the HD consoles. It would become nothing more than a successor to the GameCube, and would currently be in last place.

So I would say Nintendo made the right decision.

 

I was speaking about the next Nintendo home console... of course, Nintendo made a good choice at the start of this gen: they weren't sure if the Wii would be a success or not, so they decided to stay "low profile" in the hardware specs, to balance the costs of the new wiimote tech, that's already part of history...

Plus, we all know Nintendo only sell games and consoles, and can't afford to sell consoles at loss: but even then, back in 2006, they could have made it slightly more powerful, 720p compatible, and sell it for $300, which was, anyway, the price for Wii on the black market for two years, when it was permanently sold-out... Nintendo lost millions and millions that way, btw...

But my point was: the need of a Wii update, sooner than later... this gen is now already 3/4 years old, and the tech is now more affordable than in 2006... PS360 are already in the 250/300 price range, so Nintendo could easily release a new console with the same kind of specs, for the same kind of price... and still sell the actual Wii for $150, and then $100...

And about the software: i think all games could be ported to Wii with a little bit of talent and imagination... and for the games really better with "traditionnal controls", Nintendo has already the solution for good ports, it's called the Classic Controller... all PS360 games could be released on a more powerful Wii... now, maybe some will be poorly designed, but that's another problem...  :)

 



 

"A beautiful drawing in 480i will stay beautiful forever...

and an ugly drawing in 1080p will stay ugly forever..."

hardly, there are still lots of big games to come, some may well be anounced next year too, not to mention we have MS and Sony's motion controls to come next year also



Anyway, I summed up my summary in my sig. BTW Im not posting that sig to troll if so, I already posted it here on this thread.


Anyway, for everyone here thinks that this generation will be much lo9nger just dont be surprised that it will ebnd 1 year from now...



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

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68soul said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
 

PS3 and 360 motion controls wont succeed, Sony and MS will be forced to launch new consoles.

Why does nintendo need anything new, sales show that it doesn't people prefer Wii over PS3 and 360, even now, Wii HD isn't needed, because consumers don't care

Nintendo doesn't need the 3rd party library of the PS3 and 360, in fact its games outsell third party titles

 

I don't agree, and will try to explain why without being too long...

First, i don't care personally about PS360 motion controls, just like i don't care about PS360 in general... but i don't think these new devices will go unnoticed in the industry, so new games will be made for these...

These new control methods will never have the same userbase as the wiimote, that's for sure, but they will have some success, and development teams will need some time to make really good games for these... you just can't tell them after a year or two: it's already too late, your games have to be ported to our next gen console... doesn't make any sense economically, and if Sony and Microsoft want to have a good relantionship with 3rd parties, it would be a total lack of respect...

Then, as you can see in my sig, i personally don't care about HD, and i don't want the "Wii HD" right now, i'm happy with what i have when it comes to the hardware... but... on the software side, Wii is missing a lot of gems, and the overall quality of many titles could be easily improved with a more powerful hardware... many "avid" gamers do care about such things, and these people are the ones buying 10/20 games a year, while most "casuals" (don't like the word, but anyway) only buy a couple of games each year...

Now, you're right, 41 of the 50 best selling games this gen do appear on Nintendo consoles... and the Top 10 is only made of Nintendo 1st party games... but if NEARLY ALL the best games released on PS360 could easily get ported to Wii, then the console would be a "real" market leader, just like PS2 was the gen before... PS360 would then just have a few exclusives each year to become differentiated, and most important, Wii would have a big enough "core userbase" to convince all the 3rd parties around the world to make high budgets games for it...

Which means more excellent games for us, and even more choice: and that's why i care... it's all about the games, not about the hardware or the graphics themselves...

 

They wont go unnoticed in the industry, but the industry is not consumers, consumers won't care unless it can give an experience that trumps the Wii, so far there is no evidence of that

Wii is missing a lot of games that don't really cater to the mass market, most consumers don't care about uncharted or FF13, or even Halo, and if it were true that people weren't buying Wii games, then why does Wii push far more software and have comparable attach rates?

Nintendo would lose a lot of profit trying to chase after those games, for little benefit, in terms of sales and software profits, plus it would alienate a lot of Wii owners who wouldn't want to update so soon.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

.....if it is or isn't i wouldn't know....but surely they haven't even got to grips with games this gen yet......

and i won't be paying out £500 plus again for their new toys so i guess me and a few others will be stuck in this gen for a while yet



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Who who truely won? The Wii has the least active users but is selling the most. The Xbox 360 has the most active users but 2nd in sales. The Playstation 3 has the 2nd most active users but last in sales.



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A Bad Clown said:
Who who truely won? The Wii has the least active users but is selling the most. The Xbox 360 has the most active users but 2nd in sales. The Playstation 3 has the 2nd most active users but last in sales.

There's this awesome site called www.vgchartz.com where you can check up sales info about video game sales. I highly recommend it. As an example, if you went there you would find out that the 360 has the best attach rate, followed by the Wii (with the PS3 a VERY close 3rd, in fact the Wii and PS3 swap quite frequently)

 

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly.php



More like the climax because this generation still has two or three good years. Saying it is the twilight is negative like there are no more great games to come. Live in the moment brothers and sisters. Peace!!!