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Ail said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^The Math says it'll be bigger

Gonna stick to what I think your predictions haven't been so good this gen so far ;) ( 80 million Wii by end of 2009 ?)


Even if my predictions are wrong, and turn out to be too optimistic, who cares, doesn't change anything, Wii is still overtracking the PS2, on an overall and weekly basis WW, and with fewer price cuts, not to mention its software lineup looks very strong for the last part of 2009 and 2010

 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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Honest answer to an honest question: You have to be demented (like the starter of this thread) to think this generation is about to end. Of course if you are living inside the Nintendo-Wii-reality-distortion-field and haven't seen what the other consoles are capable of and pretend that Wii is the only system in existence, then yes, things are going downhill (for you). After all Wii was outdated even before it was released, so 4 years later the glorified Gamecube with a waggle stick is getting buried in tons of shovelware and crappy ports, while most real gamers have switched to hardware that is actually modern and capable of running cutting edge game engines and delivering cutting edge graphics.



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Ail said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^The Math says it'll be bigger

Gonna stick to what I think your predictions haven't been so good this gen so far ;) ( 80 million Wii by end of 2009 ?)


Even if my predictions are wrong, and turn out to be too optimistic, who cares, doesn't change anything, Wii is still overtracking the PS2, on an overall and weekly basis WW, and with fewer price cuts, not to mention its software lineup looks very strong for the last part of 2009 and 2010

You're discounting some of factors that allowed the PS2 to last so long.

Like : 

- the PS2 successor was very expensive, making many people stick with the PS2

- You coudn't play PS2 games on the majority of PS3.

 

If the Wii successors comes out at a decent price and is backward compatible that will erode Wii sales very significantly....

PS : it definitly looks like the Wii peak will have been 2008 ( it's second year). The PS2 best years were actually it's 3rd and it's 5th...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

^True, but only relevant, if the Wii successor comes out before the Wii gets near or passes the PS2, and even at its current pace, it'll likely pass before its successor can erode its sales too much.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

I know the Nintendo fans may dislike this statement, but... Nintendo doesn't get to define when the "generation" ends. They can replace the Wii, but honestly, then they'll merely be making a 2nd entry (some would argue a 1st entry) into this "generation", really.

If Nintendo does replace the Wii, the new "Wii HD" (or whatever) will be 100% backwards compatible, and most games will merely support HD as an "add on" functionality -- higher rez in most/all cases, and better textures in some cases (core games).

This "generation" has a good 3-4 years years left in it, maybe much more, given the rising costs (and dropping profits) of consumer electronics, which is the major factor in determining when a new console generation is affordable enough to start. Nintendo has the option to produce much better hardware than the Wii, yes, but it won't be much better than the HD consoles, if it is better at all, due to cost reasons and Nintendo's (very smart) intent on hardware profit.

I would argue that one of the major reasons the Wii succeeded, is *because* of the diminishing returns of improving hardware, and the subsequent lengthening of the "console generation". What used to happen in 7 years time, may now take 10, or 14 -- Nintendo saw that, and reduced the size of the step, rather than lengthening the duration of their product cycle, because in doing so, there was also an opportunity to profit from hardware.



 

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This Generation is not even at the half way point. Maybe MS will release a new console in 3 years but Sony wont. The PS3 hasn't even seen most of it's big franchises or hyped up new IPs yet. Gran Turismo, God of War, The Guardian(Team Ico), Twisted Metal, MAG(Zipper), or Heavy Rain are all still waiting to be released. This generation is going to last longer than previous generations because of firmware updates, higher initial costs for introducing a new console, and because the graphical gap between generations is becoming less and less of an advantage over older consoles, proven by the success of the Wii and its last gen graphics.



Sony will have a hard time keeping the PS3 going for more than 2-3 more years, just because of the issue of sales, they'll need a new console by 2012 at the latest, although more than likely 2011, especially if the Wand doesn't take off



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

Avinash_Tyagi said:
Sony will have a hard time keeping the PS3 going for more than 2-3 more years, just because of the issue of sales, they'll need a new console by 2012 at the latest, although more than likely 2011, especially if the Wand doesn't take off

I think this post must have come through some sort of time-warp, from 2007. =)



 

Procrastinato said:
I know the Nintendo fans may dislike this statement, but... Nintendo doesn't get to define when the "generation" ends. They can replace the Wii, but honestly, then they'll merely be making a 2nd entry (some would argue a 1st entry) into this "generation", really.

If Nintendo does replace the Wii, the new "Wii HD" (or whatever) will be 100% backwards compatible, and most games will merely support HD as an "add on" functionality -- higher rez in most/all cases, and better textures in some cases (core games).

This "generation" has a good 3-4 years years left in it, maybe much more, given the rising costs (and dropping profits) of consumer electronics, which is the major factor in determining when a new console generation is affordable enough to start. Nintendo has the option to produce much better hardware than the Wii, yes, but it won't be much better than the HD consoles, if it is better at all, due to cost reasons and Nintendo's (very smart) intent on hardware profit.

I would argue that one of the major reasons the Wii succeeded, is *because* of the diminishing returns of improving hardware, and the subsequent lengthening of the "console generation". What used to happen in 7 years time, may now take 10, or 14 -- Nintendo saw that, and reduced the size of the step, rather than lengthening the duration of their product cycle, because in doing so, there was also an opportunity to profit from hardware.

Good points.

And I'd add another one:

PS3 and XB360 have HD, their users are happy with them and they don't need HW upgraded successors anytime soon.

Wii OTOH doesn't have HD, but its users couldn't care lass and they are happy all the same, so no need for HW beefed-up successor here, either.

This ascertained, why HD fans are so eager to persuade Wii fans they need now something they couldn't care less about?

I suspect some of these threads are the offshoot of tecnophile shopaholics that can't enjoy anymore anything when it ceases being a novelty.

 



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Uhhh.. no??

I don't expect any new consoles for some time.



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