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so you mean why has normal english got u's and american english not? well i guess americans just had to be different



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Kantor said:
Baroque_Dude said:
Kantor said:

I would say Chinese is the most difficult language in the world, followed by English.

Of course, if you speak any Latin-based language, it makes learning other Latin-based languages a lot easier. So someone who speaks fluent French as a first language wouldn't have too much trouble with English.

Hm... I agree on Chinese being one of the most difficult languages to learn, but, in my opinion, English isn't the second, since romance languages (Catalan, Castilian, Italian, French, etc.) are far more difficult than English. I mean, each verb has a different variation for each person (both in the singular and in the plural) and they use a broader variety of verb tenses. Those languages are still less difficult than Chinese (whether Mandarin or Cantonese), in my opinion.

By the way, if you were referring to "Gangsta English" then maybe yes, English is the second most difficult language to learn.

In difficulty, I would say English > French > Italian.

You are right about verb conjugations, but English has no spelling or pronunciation rules. Why does rough rhyme with tough and not plough? Why are there, they're and their pronounced exactly the same when they have completely different meanings? Why on earth does "through" have so many unnecessary letters in it?

Easier to learn, harder to spell.  You're talking about really different things here, there's no wonder you're disagreeing.  

But if that's your criterion, then why is English harder than Japanese or other ideographic languages, that have a unique symbol for each word?  You have absolutely no damn clue how to pronounce it unless you are told, and ditto for knowing how to say it but not write it.  At least with English you can make it up and get the idea across most of the time.   



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Final-Fan said:
Kantor said:
Baroque_Dude said:
Kantor said:

I would say Chinese is the most difficult language in the world, followed by English.

Of course, if you speak any Latin-based language, it makes learning other Latin-based languages a lot easier. So someone who speaks fluent French as a first language wouldn't have too much trouble with English.

Hm... I agree on Chinese being one of the most difficult languages to learn, but, in my opinion, English isn't the second, since romance languages (Catalan, Castilian, Italian, French, etc.) are far more difficult than English. I mean, each verb has a different variation for each person (both in the singular and in the plural) and they use a broader variety of verb tenses. Those languages are still less difficult than Chinese (whether Mandarin or Cantonese), in my opinion.

By the way, if you were referring to "Gangsta English" then maybe yes, English is the second most difficult language to learn.

In difficulty, I would say English > French > Italian.

You are right about verb conjugations, but English has no spelling or pronunciation rules. Why does rough rhyme with tough and not plough? Why are there, they're and their pronounced exactly the same when they have completely different meanings? Why on earth does "through" have so many unnecessary letters in it?

Easier to learn, harder to spell.  You're talking about really different things here, there's no wonder you're disagreeing.  

But if that's your criterion, then why is English harder than Japanese or other ideographic languages, that have a unique symbol for each word?  You have absolutely no damn clue how to pronounce it unless you are told, and ditto for knowing how to say it but not write it.  At least with English you can make it up and get the idea across most of the time.   

Chinese and similar languages are different for a completely different reason. Chinese has 40,000 characters, while English has 26, and French/Italian/Spanish have a little over 30. In Roman languages, combinations of these 26 letters make up words, and in Chinese, combinations of 40,000 characters make up words. And which is easier to write, "a" or "醫"?



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Kantor said:
Final-Fan said:
Kantor said:
Baroque_Dude said:
Kantor said:

I would say Chinese is the most difficult language in the world, followed by English.

Of course, if you speak any Latin-based language, it makes learning other Latin-based languages a lot easier. So someone who speaks fluent French as a first language wouldn't have too much trouble with English.

Hm... I agree on Chinese being one of the most difficult languages to learn, but, in my opinion, English isn't the second, since romance languages (Catalan, Castilian, Italian, French, etc.) are far more difficult than English. I mean, each verb has a different variation for each person (both in the singular and in the plural) and they use a broader variety of verb tenses. Those languages are still less difficult than Chinese (whether Mandarin or Cantonese), in my opinion.

By the way, if you were referring to "Gangsta English" then maybe yes, English is the second most difficult language to learn.

In difficulty, I would say English > French > Italian.

You are right about verb conjugations, but English has no spelling or pronunciation rules. Why does rough rhyme with tough and not plough? Why are there, they're and their pronounced exactly the same when they have completely different meanings? Why on earth does "through" have so many unnecessary letters in it?

Easier to learn, harder to spell.  You're talking about really different things here, there's no wonder you're disagreeing.  

But if that's your criterion, then why is English harder than Japanese or other ideographic languages, that have a unique symbol for each word?  You have absolutely no damn clue how to pronounce it unless you are told, and ditto for knowing how to say it but not write it.  At least with English you can make it up and get the idea across most of the time.   

Chinese and similar languages are different for a completely different reason. Chinese has 40,000 characters, while English has 26, and French/Italian/Spanish have a little over 30. In Roman languages, combinations of these 26 letters make up words, and in Chinese, combinations of 40,000 characters make up words. And which is easier to write, "a" or "醫"?

And where exactly does this turn into you disagreeing with me about other languages using Han characters also being harder than English?  



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The difficulty of learning a language depends entirely from what you speak in the first place. for example I speak English, it would be very easy for me to learn German but hard for me to learn Mandarin.

Somebody that speaks French could learn Italian without much trouble, but Japanese would be extremely hard for them.



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Kantor said:
Baroque_Dude said:
Kantor said:
thanny said:
ArcticGabe said:

English is hard? lol
Try to learn Chinese, Arabic...

Wow. This is an incredibly ignorant thing to say... just amazing how ignorant people are. Of course you think its easy, you learnt it from childhood and it is the language you know! just like someone as ignorant as you who great up in Saudi Arabia would think Arabic is easy and english is incredibly hard. As far as 'second languages' go, Engish is arguably the hardest to learn, because there are so many inconsistencys etc.

 

On another note, i think that the fact that North Americas baseball competition is titled 'world series' really summarises Americas attitude to the rest of the world.

I would say Chinese is the most difficult language in the world, followed by English.

Of course, if you speak any Latin-based language, it makes learning other Latin-based languages a lot easier. So someone who speaks fluent French as a first language wouldn't have too much trouble with English.

Hm... I agree on Chinese being one of the most difficult languages to learn, but, in my opinion, English isn't the second, since romance languages (Catalan, Castilian, Italian, French, etc.) are far more difficult than English. I mean, each verb has a different variation for each person (both in the singular and in the plural) and they use a broader variety of verb tenses. Those languages are still less difficult than Chinese (whether Mandarin or Cantonese), in my opinion.

By the way, if you were referring to "Gangsta English" then maybe yes, English is the second most difficult language to learn.

In difficulty, I would say English > French > Italian.

You are right about verb conjugations, but English has no spelling or pronunciation rules. Why does rough rhyme with tough and not plough? Why are there, they're and their pronounced exactly the same when they have completely different meanings? Why on earth does "through" have so many unnecessary letters in it?

I see that. More examples: "hood" and "blood", or "them" and "theme".

In my opinion, Chinese is more difficult to learn because:

1. You must learn a new way of reading.

2. You must learn a new way of writing.

3. You must differentiate between 4 (more or less, depending on the variant) ways to pronunciate the same phoneme (for instance, the classic example: "mā", "mother"; "má", "hemp"; "mǎ", "horse"; "mà", "swear".

However, Final-Fan pointed out something true: if you already know the ideograms, it will be easier to learn than other languages.



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highwaystar101 said:
Lord Flashheart said:
Sorry.
For you I'll change it to Newcastle.

That's better lol.

Glad I could oblige.



@ Baroque_Dude: although familiar ideograms may help learn a new language, I don't think most of them have similar meanings.

English and the romance languages have "false friends" as the exception to the rule; I could be wrong but I think it's the other way around for Chinese/Japanese/etc. (Mandarin and Cantonese, obviously, are most likely not that way.)



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highwaystar101 said:
The difficulty of learning a language depends entirely from what you speak in the first place. for example I speak English, it would be very easy for me to learn German but hard for me to learn Mandarin.

Somebody that speaks French could learn Italian without much trouble, but Japanese would be extremely hard for them.


I don't understand how anybody can say, that English is a hard language to learn.

In my opinion it's by far the easiest language in Europe. German has much more exceptions than English + different genders like "der, die, das" except of "the" and those even used for things. Like "Der Mond" (=moon=male). So no, it won't be very easy for you to learn German.

Japanese is probably easier than English, due to less grammar rules, but as it was stated before, the writing is different, which makes it harder to learn.

Chinese is a tonal language, so not only the speaking of a word, but how you pronounce it defines a word (and the writing as well).

French is definitely harder then English, exceptions in English are a joke compared to that.

Latin: Just talk about grammar and exceptions and English shrinks to a little baby language (at least it's alive)

And those are just examples of the languages I've learned (except for Chinese) and they are all way harder than English.

 



Final-Fan said:
@ Baroque_Dude: although familiar ideograms may help learn a new language, I don't think most of them have similar meanings.

English and the romance languages have "false friends" as the exception to the rule; I could be wrong but I think it's the other way around for Chinese/Japanese/etc. (Mandarin and Cantonese, obviously, are most likely not that way.)

I know. I said that just in case that some Chinese "dialect" shares the same pronunciation for its ideograms. By the way, some people refuse to call them dialects, because they say that those are different languages.

Besides Chinese languages, Japanese shares some ideograms but they pronunciate them in a completely different way.



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