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Rainbird on 14 October 2009
Gnizmo said:
yo_john117 said:

We're not monkeys (although some of us act like them) And why would you get frightened over a computer generated person?

Here's a realistic picture of a CGI women...I fail to see how this could be even remotely unsettling.

 

I have noticed it seems to affect people very differently. For me, I cannot stand the sight of that woman. It creeps my eyeballs out. Heavy Rain's characters fall right into that category as well. Viewing a thread CGI-quality had posted in was absolute torture for me before they added the ability to disable sigs. It isn't frightening in the least. It is just extremely unpleasant to look at. It cannot really be accurately portrayed in words.

Oh and of course we are not monkeys. That is the most absurd argument ever. Who could think we were monkeys? We are quite obviously genetically distinct on a number of levels, and advanced far beyond anything they could ever hope to accomplish. Also, we lack a tail. That means we are Apes.

It's funny how something like this can be seen so differently. I have no problem watching the image (I do have that tingling saying that it isn't real though), and my only problem with CGI's sig is that it's a general mess

And I love the Polar Express, probably my favorite christmas movie!



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Gnizmo on 14 October 2009
Rainbird said:

It's funny how something like this can be seen so differently. I have no problem watching the image (I do have that tingling saying that it isn't real though), and my only problem with CGI's sig is that it's a general mess

And I love the Polar Express, probably my favorite christmas movie!

It is the eyes. They are just wrong. There is a bit too much pupil I think, and they don't seem to be focusing right. I am not spending too much time studying it though as I don't really like looking at it. The rest of it is pretty well done.



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Hephaestos on 14 October 2009
Tyrannical said:
Hephaestos said:
this is probably generational. People used to interact with fake humanoids may not feel wierd with something close to perfection but not quite.
However I do understand how someone who doesn't know computers or games would feel very wierd if you put them in front of real like beings on a computer.... kind of as if you showed a TV to people from the middle ages ^^.

 

That's why it was important to show that monkeys also do it, to show that it probably is not generational. It may be an inherent trait.

actually monkeys proove that this is the case for anyone not used to this type of interaction....When I say generational I mean cultural... and monkeys would be at culture 0.

 

THe real test would be to have an monkey android raise the monkey... then see how he interacts with other fake monkeys

 

Now about the picture... the unsetling thing is the exagerated flaws... I think that is the wrong path to proper realistic approach. You don't really want to see the ugly part of nature...



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Tyrannical on 14 October 2009
Hephaestos said:

actually monkeys proove that this is the case for anyone not used to this type of interaction....When I say generational I mean cultural... and monkeys would be at culture 0.

 

THe real test would be to have an monkey android raise the monkey... then see how he interacts with other fake monkeys

 

Now about the picture... the unsetling thing is the exagerated flaws... I think that is the wrong path to proper realistic approach. You don't really want to see the ugly part of nature...

 

OK, then that means it may be a natural trait that can be overcome through learning or experience.



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nen-suer on 14 October 2009

CGI still struggles to do a really convincing human, as anyone who saw "Beowulf" will attest.

CGI humans are fine so long as they're reasonably far away, but their faces don't yet convey

emotion in the way real faces do. That can't be too far away - but you have to wonder

why we as viewers should get hugely excited about it, given that we can see real faces anyway.



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phinch1 on 14 October 2009

"May" is the key word in your title. I can see why people may feel uncomfortable with the realisticness of the characters, but to the gaming audience witch is what Heavy rain is aimed at, gamers won't feel uncomfortable because we have slowly seen the gradual climb in CGI in games and have become more comfortable with it, That title is like saying all games graphically advanced passed 2011 will fail.



JaggedSac on 14 October 2009

Polar Express box office take:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=polarexpress.htm
TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $180,806,128 59.3%
+ Foreign: $124,140,582 40.7%
= Worldwide: $304,946,710

People don't mind too much.



forest-spirit on 14 October 2009

Yeah, screw CGI, Manga style FTW!!!



Faxanadu on 14 October 2009

Saying that something in the PS2 era was in the "uncanny valley" .... it still was in the "this fo sure aint real" valley, which is a very different, much wider, and much more pleasant valley.



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Seece on 14 October 2009

Well, TPE was aimed at a differenet audience, not sure if that makes it better or worse tbh. What I will say is that, at least for me, the realism won't deter people. More so that it's just not the type of video game they'd play ... no pun intended but it's a bit heavy ...