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Porcupine_I on 11 October 2009

Forza! It's got what Gamers crave! It's got Physics!



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priteshmodi on 11 October 2009

My mistake. NFS: Shift seems to do 120 Hz physics.
See here: http://games.kikizo.com/features/need-for-speed-shift-huge-interview-p3.asp



JerCotter7 on 11 October 2009
priteshmodi said:
JerCotter7 said:

Anyone care to explain what 360mhz physics is? And what does GT5:P or NFS use?

It's 360 Hz - not MHz. The definition of the unit Hertz (Hz) is "one cycle per second". What this means is Forza 3 completes all the physical calculations it uses during gameplay 360 times per second. MHz would mean it is doing this 360 million times a second - that's just not possible on these boxes. The game displays itself at 60 Hz so for every frame you see on screen, everything behind the scenes has been calculated 6 times. It's quite intriguing to watch the telemetry as all this happens.

Whether or not this matters depends solely on the accuracy and precise modelling of natural physical systems. I mean, any game could refresh their physics 360 times per second but using physical models that provide a near 1:1 with actual real-world physics is the challenge. I could make a basic VB game that refreshes itself at 360 Hz but my only physics calculation could be y = y + 0.5. It's doing 360 Hz but the physics suck! and are not representative of anything in the real world.

 As for what GT5:P and NFS use, I have no clue. I'll go look it up but my best bet for NFS is either 30 or 60. Will post again if I find anything!

P.S. Sorry if I sounded as if I was talking down. I read the post back after posting it and it does sound that way. Didn't mean to. Cheers!

Didn't sound like you were talking down to me because I have/had no idea what it was. Thanks very much for taking the time to explain.



RAZurrection on 11 October 2009
inverted3reality said:

Er.. David Jaffe might have a big mouth..

But not once has he ever displayed such complete disregard for morals and respect like this man. He would never call down his competetion like that.

Yeah, he lied about god of war 3 having really impressive graphics.

inverted3reality said:

Im not saying they will, point is, the game isn't out yet. How about we wait?

Still? Forza 2 had the same physics in 2007. If GT5P had it they probably would have played it up.

JerCotter7 said:

Anyone care to explain what 360mhz physics is? And what does GT5:P or NFS use?

Forza 2 & 3's frame rate is 60 frames per second, that's 60 seperate frames of visuals displayed in 1 whole second.

Forza 2 & 3's physics updates 6 times every frame, so in a single screenshot, the physics system would have re-calibrated 6 times.

 

 

 

 



Xoj on 11 October 2009

^ GT5P is 1080p 60fps too.



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letsdance on 11 October 2009

God of War 3 does have really impressive graphics and its funny you should mention that... since... god of war is his competition thus proving inverteds point



markers on 11 October 2009

Difficult to replicate, easy to surpass. They just can not stop digging their grave.



themanwithnoname on 11 October 2009

Some of these comments in here are asinine. How exactly is Turn 10 digging their own grave here? What will happen if GT 5 scores higher? Absolutely nothing. It's already been confirmed by most that Forza 3 is a great game. GT 5 is not going to replicate Forza 3. Why? Because Digital Polyphony puts emphasis on things Turn 10 does not and vice versa. Some of you guys just enjoy going around and looking for things to be offended by, when there's nothing there. It's getting really annoying.



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damndl0ser on 11 October 2009
themanwithnoname said:
Some of these comments in here are asinine. How exactly is Turn 10 digging their own grave here? What will happen if GT 5 scores higher? Absolutely nothing. It's already been confirmed by most that Forza 3 is a great game. GT 5 is not going to replicate Forza 3. Why? Because Digital Polyphony puts emphasis on things Turn 10 does not and vice versa. Some of you guys just enjoy going around and looking for things to be offended by, when there's nothing there. It's getting really annoying.

I don't think I could have said that better myself.  No matter if you like turn 10 or not they have put out a really good product.  

 

Most of the ones who are offended don't even have a 360 so it doesn't matter anyway.  Turn 10 isn't gearing what they say just to keep you guys happy.  Enjoy GT5 when it comes out, no need in stating your hate for a company that you will not support even if they gave Poly head.



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letsdance on 11 October 2009

the hypocrisy in this thread is jilarious.