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Carl on 08 October 2009
leo-j said:
mhm lots of 360 fans just joining in today..

Anyhow, I love that carl is here, it makes me not needed for anything



                            

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madskillz on 08 October 2009
loves2splooge said:
The PS3 introduced a new redesign AND introduced a much more impressive price cut and yet they can barely stay over 360 in Americas after 1 month (week of oct 3rd's sales figures are very close now). That is not a good sign.

Worldwide, you'd think that the PS3 would catch up eventually but the MS has more options they can consider at this point to stay competitive. The 360 price cut doesn't even hold a candle to the PS3 price cut so MS has a lot more room to initiate further cuts. The entry cost for a PS3 is now $300, instead of $400 and you get 50% more HD space AND a slim redesign added bonus (80 to 120) whereas the entry cost for a 360 is still $300 (you just have double the hard drive space for that price now). And no the Arcade doesn't count because it's a very barebones system that's only good for offline. Sony really went all-out with this huge price cut and since their system costs more to make than a 360 (Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi, Cell processor is more expensive), we know Sony is bleeding much more than Microsoft is on their hardware. Heck MS might not even be bleeding at all on hardware anymore. Microsoft can easily counter with a $50 price cut if they really wanted to. In fact they should. It would take the wind out of the PS3's sails in Europe/Others, the swing region warzone. Whatever they do, MS is not just going to sit there while Sony eats away at their lead in Europe/Others. Japan is already lost (though they shouldn't give up on Japan. They improved quite a bit from last gen), America is already in the bag so you know Europe/Others will be a priority for them. That's where the race will be won or lost.

With MS having deeper pockets and cheaper hardware, red inked Sony doesn't want to play the price slashing game with them. MS can eat the losses no problem whereas Sony's shareholders would be calling for their head if they bled the company further. Sony really made a big desperation move releasing a slim with 50% more HD space at $100 off.

Excellent analysis. +1.



tuscaniman on 08 October 2009

I'm sorry to break it to you but the fighting genre is pretty weak. I don't think Tekken 6 is gonna push many consoles. I can't imagine anyone standing at Best Buy thinking "hmm I wanted a 360 but this PS3 Tekken bundle is just too amazing." You do know Tekken is also on the 360 therefore that point is moot.
BTW I'm still waiting for the first person to type "WHO CARES THE WII PWNS ALL!"



rafichamp on 08 October 2009

^^but ur forgetting japan



Ronster316 on 08 October 2009
Carl2291 said:
Ronster316 said:
loves2splooge said:
The PS3 introduced a new redesign AND introduced a much more impressive price cut and yet they can barely stay over 360 in Americas after 1 month (week of oct 3rd's sales figures are very close now). That is not a good sign.

Worldwide, you'd think that the PS3 would catch up eventually but the MS has more options they can consider at this point to stay competitive. The 360 price cut doesn't even hold a candle to the PS3 price cut so MS has a lot more room to initiate further cuts. The entry cost for a PS3 is now $300, instead of $400 and you get 50% more HD space AND a slim redesign added bonus (80 to 120) whereas the entry cost for a 360 is still $300 (you just have double the hard drive space for that price now). And no the Arcade doesn't count because it's a very barebones system that's only good for offline. Sony really went all-out with this huge price cut and since their system costs more to make than a 360 (Blu-Ray, Wi-Fi, Cell processor is more expensive), we know Sony is bleeding much more than Microsoft is on their hardware. Heck MS might not even be bleeding at all on hardware anymore. Microsoft can easily counter with a $50 price cut if they really wanted to. In fact they should. It would take the wind out of the PS3's sails in Europe/Others, the swing region warzone. Whatever they do, MS is not just going to sit there while Sony eats away at their lead in Europe/Others. Japan is already lost (though they shouldn't give up on Japan. They improved quite a bit from last gen), America is already in the bag so you know Europe/Others will be a priority for them. That's where the race will be won or lost.

With MS having deeper pockets and cheaper hardware, red inked Sony doesn't want to play the price slashing game with them. MS can eat the losses no problem whereas Sony's shareholders would be calling for their head if they bled the company further. Sony really made a big desperation move releasing a slim with 50% more HD space at $100 off.


I couldn't have said it any better myself ^^^^

Sony make the slim and ps3 fans think that Microsoft are just gonna stand there and take it?

Call of Duty WM 2 360 console bundle will sell well (plus COD already sells much better on 360 than ps3)

GTA stories from liberty city will provide a boost, Forza 3's excellent review scores will provide a boost too VS only uncharted 2 thats exclusive for ps3 this fall.

Microsoft are practically tightening the noose around sonys neck this gen (3rd party exclusives are literally gone from sonys repertoire)

And sonys 2nd party exclusives are hardly setting the world on fire in terns of sales are they? (LBP, Killzone ect aint sold much)

And lastly......... Look at how well Left 4 Dead sold on 360 with NO BUNDLES compared to LBP and Uncharted that were bundled to death.

If Microsoft start bundling games like Left 4 Dead 2 and Alan Wake then they are gonna be dishing out a whole lot of pain to Sony in 2010.

They didn't stand there and take it. They released a Halo game and reduced the price of the best model (on Slim launch day). And it didn't work.

MW2 bundle will be limited as it is a special edition console, not to mention un-official PS3 bundles too.

Red- Those games will boost 360, but GoW 3 wont boost PS3?lol. Also, Tekken 6 is getting bundled with PS3 which will be a good seller.

Green- Demon's Souls, Final Fantasy 13, R&C: Crack in Time also... Probably missing a few out.

And 2 Million+ sales in under a year "aint much"?

Blue- If Sony start bundling games like God of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5 and Heavy Rain and Final Fantasy 13 and Mod Nation Racers and The Last Guardian and Agent and Final Fantasy Versus 13 and White Knight Chronicles then they are gonna be dishing out a whole lot of pain to Microsoft in 2010.


A whole lot of pain? LOL

Modnation racers, Demon souls, Ratchet and clank blah blah blah can EASILY be countered with Alan wake, Splinter cell: conviction, Left 4 Dead 2 or Crackdown 2 bundles.

And lets not forget that Halo Reach and Fable III are just around the corner and Gears of War 3 will no doubt be on the horizon soon aswell.

I stand by what i say.......... Microsoft have a counter for ANYTHING that sony can throw at them and then some...........



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rafichamp on 08 October 2009

forza's excellent review scores? What about Uncharted 2



tuscaniman on 08 October 2009

Remember the good ol' days when you could buy a console and you opened the box and it came with two controllers and a game? At least I know the older gamers do. Now you have to get an "exclusive" bundle to get a console with a game for the same price. I blame Sony for this. The PS1 and their damn demo discs. If a console wants to win a console race go back to the old ways: two controllers and an awesome game for a good price.
360 bundle: Halo:Reach elite with two controllers for $249
PS3 bundle: GOW3 slim with two controllers for $249
Wii bundle: Bundled up with the trash in the dumpster where it should be.
PS. I have a 360 obviously but if the PS3 bundle existed I would buy a PS3 in a heartbeat. And if the 360 bundle existed I would almost bet any PS3 owner would buy that bundle as well. Then we could have a happy world, hold hands, and sing.



Ronster316 on 08 October 2009
rafichamp said:
forza's excellent review scores? What about Uncharted 2


I'm not dusputing the excellent Uncharted 2 scores.......... and it will Undoubtedly sell well, but so will Forza 3 so theres another sony move that has been countered by Microsoft.



rafichamp on 08 October 2009

^^What do you have for FFXIII? Another price drop:?



Metallicube on 08 October 2009

A lot of PS3 fans get overexcited when the PS3 has a abnormally good week or month and tend to jump the gun because they're not used to the PS3 doing well. I think there are even some who amazingly think that the PS3 will beat the Wii in Japan. If you take a step back though and take off the Sony goggles, I think it's quite obvious that PS3 has solidified its place in 3rd awhile ago. Launching a console at $600 with few compelling exclusive games, even under the brand name as popular as "Playstation," will not give you success, end of story. At least not relative success. A 6 million gap is no small amount to make up..