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Carl on 06 October 2009
angrypoolman said:
Carl2291 said:
angrypoolman said:
Carl2291 said:
angrypoolman said:
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Gnac said:
Carl2291 said:
Sony launched the PS3 at $600.

PS3 at the time took ~$800 to make.

Losing $200 per console is a pretty big risk...

Consequences are risks now? Nice spin. I'm sure Kutaragi got removed as SCE head for not being risky enough.

Not spin at all.

A definition of "Risk" for you people.

"The possibility of bringing about misfortune or loss"

Launching your console at $600, when it costs $800 to make... gives a huge possiblity of misfortune, and a 100% possiblity of loss

Big, big risk.

For Nintendo to make that risk would be suicide since gaming is all they have. Sony was able to sell consoles at a loss because they sell a shit ton of other stuff too.

It just goes to show you what Sony is willing to do to make profits. Not that profits shouldn't be sought after, but they are willing to risk losing their entire position in the gaming industry in order to make blu ray the new standard.

Basically the only types of risks that Sony makes are financial ones since it really wouldn't make a whole lot of difference to them if they were in the video game business or not. Aside from that, it is Nintendo that are the true innovators; the true pioneers of video games.

Yet Jack never mentioned innovating in the quote. He said Sony take more risks, and still deliver. Which is true.

They are STILL selling PS3 at a loss and this year they have pumped out more AAA exclusives than Ninty and MS.

Innovation is a risk. Things were not looking too bright for the DS when it first came out..

In any case, I will give you that Sony has put out more triple A titles than Ninty and MS this year (does microsoft even count? they dont make games). I would like to add that Nintendo is working on a new Mario, Metroid, and Zelda right now though. and I am pretty sure all of these will come out in 2010.

Blu-ray, Cell, PSP Go. All different way's of innovating or bringing something new to the table. Add that to Sony's pricing risk...

Glad you agree, i had the facts waiting for you to disagree

Yep, yep they do. But Sony also have The Last Guardian, God of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5... And that's just for the first half of the year. For once, we don't actually know what else Sony have planned.

Hahaha. Well, you know Nintendo. I am sure they are working on something that they are not telling us about right now. We have known about GoW and GT5 since 2007. Nintendo is going to have iterations of their three biggest franchises next year so while I am willing to give the win to Sony this year, I fully expect Nintendo to stomp all over these two next year as far as first party titles go.

Maybe.

Like i said, for once we dont know what Sony have planned with 1st Party in the 2nd half of the year... Which is VERY surprising considering how Sony have begun to hype games this gen.

1 thing i know for sure, it will be fun finding out.



                            

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cdude1034 on 06 October 2009

I'm confused, how is a console based completely on motion controls not riskier than anything Sony has ever done?

Don't feel like quoting, but putting big money into either novel or old IP's isn't a 'risk', it's a cost of doing business.

If Sony doesn't talk trash, how will anyone continue to respect them? Some companies can let the results do the talking. Others rely on their mouths.



 

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The Ghost of RubangB on 06 October 2009

Nintendo took the risk of making a $90 exercise/balance game, and having it be their biggest announcement at E3.

Nintendo is in a whole 'nother dimension of risky business.



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Conner52 on 06 October 2009

Nintendo isn't the giant corporation that Sony is. They don't have profits from thousands of other products to fall back on. Nintendo can't take many risks financially.

However, Nintendo does take more risks with console design. PS3 follows most of the same things PS2 did prior. Wii and DS are completely different than their predecessor.

Nintendo took a very small part of gaming (fitness games) and turned it into a giant part of the gaming market, with tons of games trying to steal some of the success of Wii Fit.

In my eyes, Nintendo takes just as many risks.



Xoj on 06 October 2009
cdude1034 said:
I'm confused, how is a console based completely on motion controls not riskier than anything Sony has ever done?

Don't feel like quoting, but putting big money into either novel or old IP's isn't a 'risk', it's a cost of doing business.

If Sony doesn't talk trash, how will anyone continue to respect them? Some companies can let the results do the talking. Others rely on their mouths.

because they only think they would loose was market share, they would still profit on software on mario games.

 



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jesus kung fu magic on 06 October 2009
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:

@carl

You fail to realize that consequence and risk are two different things......the ps3 and 360 are a natural progression of console systems of years past , the wii isnt. It tried to innovate how we play console games , while the 360/ps3 only focused on adding a new shiny coat of paint in the graphics department with ZERO innovation to gaming.

 

Sony did not risk for the sake of innovation......they are just paying the consequenses of their poor business decisions thats it.

 

Xbox LIVE isn't innovative?

LBP isn't innovative?

HEAVY RAIN isn't innovative?

Project NATAL isn't innovative?

I could go on & on.... I agree nobody innovated quite like Nintendo did, but to say Microsoft and Sony offer "ZERO innovation to gaming" is irrational...

I meant in respect to their consoles strictly.....which only adds XBL from your list.

Developers develop games , not sony or MS.



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psrock on 06 October 2009

First, this is in the wrong forum, second A big boss talking good about their company, wow, third look where the article comes from.



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Carl on 06 October 2009
jesus kung fu magic said:

@carl

You fail to realize that consequence and risk are two different things......the ps3 and 360 are a natural progression of console systems of years past , the wii isnt. It tried to innovate how we play console games , while the 360/ps3 only focused on adding a new shiny coat of paint in the graphics department with ZERO innovation to gaming.

 

Sony did not risk for the sake of innovation......they are just paying the consequenses of their poor business decisions thats it.

Maybe i've got mixed up on it then, but are you saying that losing $200 per console on launch... Wasn't a risk to Sony or PlayStation?

And i dont get why everyone keeps bringing up innovation.

As i said in this post, Jack never mentioned innovation. He just said Sony take more risks and still deliver. Which is true.



                            

Naraku_Diabolos on 06 October 2009
Serious_frusting said:
Well sony did bring the ps eye and eye toy

Aren't those the same thing? Or is one for the PS2 and the other for the PS3? ? ?



jesus kung fu magic on 06 October 2009
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:

@carl

You fail to realize that consequence and risk are two different things......the ps3 and 360 are a natural progression of console systems of years past , the wii isnt. It tried to innovate how we play console games , while the 360/ps3 only focused on adding a new shiny coat of paint in the graphics department with ZERO innovation to gaming.

 

Sony did not risk for the sake of innovation......they are just paying the consequenses of their poor business decisions thats it.

 

Xbox LIVE isn't innovative?

LBP isn't innovative?

HEAVY RAIN isn't innovative?

Project NATAL isn't innovative?

I could go on & on.... I agree nobody innovated quite like Nintendo did, but to say Microsoft and Sony offer "ZERO innovation to gaming" is irrational...

I meant in respect to their consoles strictly.....which only adds XBL from your list.

Developers develop games , not sony or MS.

Sony doesn't develop games? O_o

No sony as a console company publishes....innovation comes from the mind not the wallet.



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