Are we back to hailing KotOR as the greatest WRPG ever again? *sigh*

Listen, BioWare has never - never - made a truly potent story. Look at KotOR. That game had so much potential. It could have examined the nature of identity (are you the 'real' you?), memory (how do you know anything you have experienced was real?) free will (were your actions effectively orchestrated by someone else?), the good/evil dichotomy (what makes an action 'good'? what does 'good' even mean?), as well as a slew of other psychological themes. Instead the game resorts to simple black and white morality, with the main cast suffering from laughable stock "I'm evil cuz I'm evil" motives. No, it was the sequel, made by Obsidian, that brought these themes up (and more).

What BioWare does, and does well, is to craft epic, well told stories. It's the basic Hero's Quest - exactly what you would expect, no more and no less. It can still be an enjoyable ride, to be sure, just don't expect anything too profound or original from that kind of story.

 Sorry but did you just said that studio which has been created by people working previously as Black Isles aka the greatest RPG makers in known history of man is less prestigious than the makers of dumbed down console wrpgs from Bethsheda crapworks who haven't made good game since Morrowind times?

A few things.

It's a different company now. Things get worse. Look at Square-Enix. By your logic, Square-Enix is the best developer in the industry.

The newer games by Obsidian(last 8 years?) are fall less prestigious than Fallout 3, and I believe, have worse review scores?

Just because you are a PC fanatic, doesn't mean you have to be an elitist.

Yes, Black Isle Studios is awesome, yes KoToR II was worse than KoToR, and yes, this has been discussed earlier betwixt myself and other PC fans and we came to an agreement.

Read that for further comment.

I'm getting really sick of PC fans lately, seems I've been running into them in every other thread, being all elitist and saying that the game industry sucks, because they no longer have any exclusive games of their own.

I should make a real, fleshed out, PC is doomed, thread after a couple of weeks of investigation, just to enjoy the butthurt. The base argument very few exclusives, and less in the future due to no first party games, along with diminishing returns on graphical capabilities should be enough to dish out plenty of butthurt if presented correctly.

.....it could be....epic? Hmm.

Not to be an elitist, lol. But it's not exclusivity that I bitch about. It's about game quality that goes out the fucking window when said exclusivity is lost. You can list a LOT of games which turned to crap once they went off the PC.

Unreal Tournament went downhill with UT3

Thief went downhill wtih Thief Deadly Shadows

WRPGs went downhill with KOTOR (compare it NWN, basically same game but better)

FUCKING DEUS EX went down hill with Deus Ex 2.

Meanwhile there are games like The Witcher which really push standards, and they are still only on the PC. You could le a girl be raped in that game ffs. When are you gonna see something like that on a console? That's ignoring all the nice themes of identity, is the wolrd straight black/good or are there in betweens, whether laws are ok just because they are laws, racism, etc. Point me to a console game which has done those and more well and deeply.

If Deus Ex can get fucked up, then anything can by losing PC exclusiveness. I can keep listing. Games just turn to mediocre once they are no longer PC exclusives. It's not the exclusivness I want, it's the quality of games. For all I care the game can be on every console ever created by man, even the Atari, as long as it's good I don't give a damn. I just don't want Dragon Age Origins to be like Baldur's gate worse.... BG came out a decade ago, surely DAO should be better!