Phones are hardware, not gaming software, Apple tried to break into the game market back in the 90's it was a horrible flop, even on the Apple computers gaming is very weak.

they still do.

nokia still got over 40% of smartphone marketsahre, and overall marketshare.

apple = not even 1%.

and as a phone iphone was incomplete until 3GS, it didn't even had MMS and still it doesn't support multitasking.

But if Nintendo sells more hardware and software doesnt it make them the core market?

Theres no such thing as casual or hardcore. Were all just customers to these companys and were all on a forum talking about our favorite toys we bought. I know you guys don't like other certain toys but lets be realistic now. Your only using ""hardcore"" as an excuse and reason to make your hobby more serious. In real life, most people don't really care about video games. Most people who play video games dont care. Because there not nerds.

Start treating you video game consoles as video game console. Don't like the system? Then trade it in and buy games or systems you want instead of wasting yours (hell all.) of our time with the same whiny complaints we've being hearing since game forums being around on the internet.

As for the third partys on the Wii, its not our concern. Support the good stuff, bag the bad. It aint that hard.

Bu..bu..bu....TeH MaRioz and tEh zELDaZZZ

I've been a core gamer since before "core" was called "core", and I don't feel slighted. As for Nintendo LOSING, well, strictly speaking they haven't lost financially since before the NES days*. Nintendo can come in 3rd place and still make money.

In a similar vein, PS3 IS IN THIRD PLACE and it doens't make it any less enjoyable. What's with all this talk of "losing"?









* Virtual Boy excluded

suckers!!! they didn't lose me. lol I love nintendo

I wonder if this is truly Nintendo's end? I wish not.

Now I could spend long times going over every single point that you have made illogically but instead I'll get to the heart of your argument.  You reason that Nintendo has lost the core gamers this generation because of lack of 3rd party support.  Actually your argument can be reworked as such:

"The platform wasn't made viable for core gaming.  Because the platform was not viable for core gaming, third parties did not support the console.  Therefore, the lack of 3rd party support made the platform not viable for core gaming. 

There is an obvious flaw with this argument.  It's called a circular reasoning fallacy.  You can't claim that the cause of something is also the effect.  Meaning the cause of why 3rd party support wasn't there can't also be the effect of the lack of 3rd party support.  It's a completely illogical argument just as a whole which obviously makes the rest of it make no sense. 

So considering the basis of your argument is unsound due to it being a circular reasoning fallacy, I find it difficult to really debate what you say.  I understand that you are trying to suggest that Nintendo is not doing so hot on 3rd party support but you completely leave out relevent alternatives to why this happening.  Things such as Nintendo's dominance on its own consoles, lack of change in brand perception, sales of certain games playing a role, etc.  Instead you carelessly make the argument of someting being the cause as also being the effect which as I stated is a circular reasoning fallacy.  And because of that, logically your argument has to be discarded.

Now for talkign just on the subject (not this argument obviously), Nintendo has definitely not found a way to get 3rd parties to put their top games on their platform.  This is apparent simply from looking at the facts.  But there are many logical reasons as to why this is happening (HD development already strong underway with 3 viable platforms and sales performance to back it up and justify it, Ninendo's continued dominance on their platforms, and the system not being good for  mass development across platforms).  You take all that into a business meeting where they are doing risk analysis (whith btw is the actual decision process to where games go not as this poster would have you believe) those points being brought up don't make a strong case for putting your big dollar games on the Wii. 

Of course there are still plenty of arguments that do such as large, active userbase, strong diversity in genre interests, and of course cheaper development.  But it seems now they are content with doing against hte Wii which is something Nintendo is trying to work on, obviously.  It doesn't really have anything to do with Nintendo in general, nor does it have anything to do with MS or Sony doing anything.  Only way they are even involved is how brand is perceived which goes into risk analysis, something they can only influence but not ultimately change.  I'm sure all 3 are working on trying to get the appeal of mainstream, worldly appeal but of course that is difficult.  So this post, fallacious in nature, also shows a lot of misconceptions in people of how these games are determined for particular platforms. 

We all understand Nintendo's situation with 3rd parties on the Wii, is something that needs to be changed.  I'm sure Ninty is working on it but they may not solve it for this generation.  They need to continue to do what they are doing... showing off wide varities of 3rd party video games to maintain that majority appeal and continually keeping their platform open to as many developers and games as possible.  And of course what they need to work on is some more personal interaction with developers and negotiating with them for the better interest of their platform.  But of course always keeping in mind, that on the sales floor they are still competiting.  When you have dominant software like Nintendo, this is a good approach to take.  Encourage interest and development but don't sell out your own appeal.  Tough scenario for Ninty, but definitely something they need to continue working on.  But hey the problem could still be the hardware differentiation which may not be resolved until next generation.  Thus may just have to go it alone haha or have it forced due to success.  Either way we all recognize it as a problem persisting with Ninty and something that will continue to be debated.

you, sir, have hit the nail perfectly on the head.thats all this really is. im glad someone else sees this.

in the meantime, "Core games" sell better on the wii than on the gamecube or Nintendo 64.Look at sales of RE4 wii, Smash Brothers, or realize Nintendo finally gets a Silent Hill in a console.Facts will never back you up while claiming Nintendo lost the core (compared to how core was N64 for instance, a console that didnt even have a passable single RPG, NOT ONE that you can remember).Numbers and facts dont lie. Angry bored fanboys do.