CaseyDDR said: I can't believe you ppl are trying to compare Crysis to GT5... GT5 has barely ANY rendering to do besides the cars.. Have you actually looked at how bland the graphics are other than the cars? ITS HORRIBLE. Everything about Crysis is gorgeous. Shoi is here basically raping all of you in this topic, yet you console fanbois are to blind to realize it, mainly because you are jealous you don't have a proper built pc. My 8800GTX still outplays my PS3, and I can notice it everyday I turn on a game. I'll stick to L4D 1080p on my 50" plasma loaded from my PC anyday over the shitty ass port that was brought to 360.

Shoi isn't "raping" anyone.  Most people that know anything about gaming over the last couple of decades know that the PC kills the consoles in the graphics department.  Crysis is a gorgeous game and outshines anything on the consoles, even for being a game that came out in 2007.  That still doesn't mean that PC gaming is the best way to go for everyone who games.  Graphically, the consoles don't give you the same experience as the PC, but they give you experiences that the PC doesn't give you as well. 

I was a die hard PC gamer until about 2 years ago (hmmm, right around the time my son was born).  I RELUCTANTLY switched over to consoles because I just didn't have as much cash laying around anymore to keep upgrading my computer, and in the end, it really didn't turn out to be that big of a deal.  I have a blast gaming on either platform--the difference is that my friends all have consoles, and I'm the only one in the group who has a gaming PC. 

I know the next comment below this one will be a lecture on how if I knew what I was doing when I built my PC I would never have to upgrade it and blah blah blah.  Well that, my friends, is 100% BS.  If you want to continue playing the most current titles at the highest res with the highest settings, you will have to upgrade your PC about every two years in some way shape or form.  And if you're NOT interested in playing PC games that way, then that negates the whole point about the graphics being better anyway.  You'll end up compromising the quality level of the graphics, and at that point, you may as well just get a console and be able to play games with your friends who actually have the same machines.  For me personally, I didn't see the point of PC gaming anymore if I was not going to be able to afford keeping my rig up to date. 

Does my Intel Q6600, 8800GTS toting gaming rig still handle games just fine?  Yes.  Do I still game on it?  Yes.  Is it my primary platform anymore?  Sorry to say, but no. 

 

CaseyDDR said: I can't believe you ppl are trying to compare Crysis to GT5... GT5 has barely ANY rendering to do besides the cars.. Have you actually looked at how bland the graphics are other than the cars? ITS HORRIBLE. Everything about Crysis is gorgeous. Shoi is here basically raping all of you in this topic, yet you console fanbois are to blind to realize it, mainly because you are jealous you don't have a proper built pc. My 8800GTX still outplays my PS3, and I can notice it everyday I turn on a game. I'll stick to L4D 1080p on my 50" plasma loaded from my PC anyday over the shitty ass port that was brought to 360.

I think your mistaking practicality for jealousy.  My main computer for instance (the one im typing on now) is a quad core with a 4890 that I primairly use for rendering I just got tired of DRM and installing crap and patching crap and my TV is better suited for the ps3 and 360 with a bunch of controllers than inviting a bunch of geeks over to huddle around my keyboard.  Honestly if I took my tower and brought it into the living room, my wife would declare me a lost cause and divorce my ass for lameness, we have a media center pc in there and she already thinks thats a bit over the geek line.  Crysis is actually the game that put the nail in PC gamings coffin for me, I was hyped..upgraded for it and found it to be nothing but eye candy as a game I can think of at least a dozen fps that are better story and gameplay wise.  I just dont get why pc gamers find it so hard to accept that others just dont care about pc gaming anymore...even more confounding is why when they are convinced they are superior, they still choose to go slumming on console sites to evangelize about why they think console gaming sucks, no one is going to change their mind, you will probably find most older console gamers are former PC gamers who just got tired of it and like the convenience of consoles even if the graphics "suck".

grapeape said: CaseyDDR said: I can't believe you ppl are trying to compare Crysis to GT5... GT5 has barely ANY rendering to do besides the cars.. Have you actually looked at how bland the graphics are other than the cars? ITS HORRIBLE. Everything about Crysis is gorgeous. Shoi is here basically raping all of you in this topic, yet you console fanbois are to blind to realize it, mainly because you are jealous you don't have a proper built pc. My 8800GTX still outplays my PS3, and I can notice it everyday I turn on a game. I'll stick to L4D 1080p on my 50" plasma loaded from my PC anyday over the shitty ass port that was brought to 360. I think your mistaking practicality for jealousy.  My main computer for instance (the one im typing on now) is a quad core with a 4890 that I primairly use for rendering I just got tired of DRM and installing crap and patching crap and my TV is better suited for the ps3 and 360 with a bunch of controllers than inviting a bunch of geeks over to huddle around my keyboard.  Honestly if I took my tower and brought it into the living room, my wife would declare me a lost cause and divorce my ass for lameness, we have a media center pc in there and she already thinks thats a bit over the geek line.  Crysis is actually the game that put the nail in PC gamings coffin for me, I was hyped..upgraded for it and found it to be nothing but eye candy as a game I can think of at least a dozen fps that are better story and gameplay wise.  I just dont get why pc gamers find it so hard to accept that others just dont care about pc gaming anymore...even more confounding is why when they are convinced they are superior, they still choose to go slumming on console sites to evangelize about why they think console gaming sucks, no one is going to change their mind, you will probably find most older console gamers are former PC gamers who just got tired of it and like the convenience of consoles even if the graphics "suck".

@grapeape:  EXACTLY

I used to be one of those people that constantly "evangelized" about PC gaming.  And I had the same experience with Crysis that you did.  I built a computer specifically for that game and was very disappointed by the outcome of the whole situation.  Crysis was not the PC gaming savior that it was being touted as for 2 years.  It turned out to be so so, but story wise it didn't hold a candle to the likes of Half Life 2 or Bioshock.  It really played more like a souped up FarCry, which I actually liked better than Crysis.  And then I started really opening my eyes and realizing that I wasn't really getting a unique gaming experience on the PC anymore unless I was going to play lots of RTS or MMOs (both of which genres I can't stand.) 

Our son was born shortly after that and I couldn't justify the upgrades or time consuming troubleshooting anymore.  (Again, I don't care what anyone says, PC gaming is a more expensive and time intensive hobby than console gaming.  Show me a PC gamer who claims to be still using their 3 year old video card and 5 year old processor to play the latest games at the highest settings and highest resolution, and I'll show you someone who's bullshitting you.)  I RELUCTANTLY bought a 360 and was very surprised at how much fun I had with it.  Especially because I could now play games with my friends online or at my house without having to crowd around my desk and look at a monitor.  And it was a big weight off my shoulders to stop worrying about how I was going to pay for my next upgrade all the time.  I even eventually bought a PS3 Slim when they came out and now I'm a dual console owner!

My point is that if PC gamers actually TRIED consoles, they would realize it's not a whole lot different.  Play Gears of War 2, Little Big Planet, Killzone 2 or any of the other graphical powerhouses on an HDTV and you will wonder why you were so snobby about it for so long.  You can have loads of fun on consoles.  As a life long PC gamer I was pretty blown away by some of the titles I've played on the consoles in the last couple of years.

 

Domicinator said: grapeape said: CaseyDDR said: I can't believe you ppl are trying to compare Crysis to GT5... GT5 has barely ANY rendering to do besides the cars.. Have you actually looked at how bland the graphics are other than the cars? ITS HORRIBLE. Everything about Crysis is gorgeous. Shoi is here basically raping all of you in this topic, yet you console fanbois are to blind to realize it, mainly because you are jealous you don't have a proper built pc. My 8800GTX still outplays my PS3, and I can notice it everyday I turn on a game. I'll stick to L4D 1080p on my 50" plasma loaded from my PC anyday over the shitty ass port that was brought to 360. I think your mistaking practicality for jealousy.  My main computer for instance (the one im typing on now) is a quad core with a 4890 that I primairly use for rendering I just got tired of DRM and installing crap and patching crap and my TV is better suited for the ps3 and 360 with a bunch of controllers than inviting a bunch of geeks over to huddle around my keyboard.  Honestly if I took my tower and brought it into the living room, my wife would declare me a lost cause and divorce my ass for lameness, we have a media center pc in there and she already thinks thats a bit over the geek line.  Crysis is actually the game that put the nail in PC gamings coffin for me, I was hyped..upgraded for it and found it to be nothing but eye candy as a game I can think of at least a dozen fps that are better story and gameplay wise.  I just dont get why pc gamers find it so hard to accept that others just dont care about pc gaming anymore...even more confounding is why when they are convinced they are superior, they still choose to go slumming on console sites to evangelize about why they think console gaming sucks, no one is going to change their mind, you will probably find most older console gamers are former PC gamers who just got tired of it and like the convenience of consoles even if the graphics "suck". @grapeape:  EXACTLY I used to be one of those people that constantly "evangelized" about PC gaming.  And I had the same experience with Crysis that you did.  I built a computer specifically for that game and was very disappointed by the outcome of the whole situation.  Crysis was not the PC gaming savior that it was being touted as for 2 years.  It turned out to be so so, but story wise it didn't hold a candle to the likes of Half Life 2 or Bioshock.  It really played more like a souped up FarCry, which I actually liked better than Crysis.  And then I started really opening my eyes and realizing that I wasn't really getting a unique gaming experience on the PC anymore unless I was going to play lots of RTS or MMOs (both of which genres I can't stand.)  Our son was born shortly after that and I couldn't justify the upgrades or time consuming troubleshooting anymore.  (Again, I don't care what anyone says, PC gaming is a more expensive and time intensive hobby than console gaming.  Show me a PC gamer who claims to be still using their 3 year old video card and 5 year old processor to play the latest games at the highest settings and highest resolution, and I'll show you someone who's bullshitting you.)  I RELUCTANTLY bought a 360 and was very surprised at how much fun I had with it.  Especially because I could now play games with my friends online or at my house without having to crowd around my desk and look at a monitor.  And it was a big weight off my shoulders to stop worrying about how I was going to pay for my next upgrade all the time.  I even eventually bought a PS3 Slim when they came out and now I'm a dual console owner! My point is that if PC gamers actually TRIED consoles, they would realize it's not a whole lot different.  Play Gears of War 2, Little Big Planet, Killzone 2 or any of the other graphical powerhouses on an HDTV and you will wonder why you were so snobby about it for so long.  You can have loads of fun on consoles.  As a life long PC gamer I was pretty blown away by some of the titles I've played on the consoles in the last couple of years.

I agree about Crysis, it was horrible and made me sad. Crysis + UT3 made me start pirating before buying.

Howver I have tried consoles and still due thanks to my roommates and I have absolutely no problems with graphics or anything else. I have bee always about gameplay first and foremost, and consoles lack that heavily.

im afraid that if your talking about multiplat games then maybe yes its not a myth, but exclusives thats a HUGE myth

crysis only looks better than ps3 exclusive in pc fans minds, thats the only place

There is no racing game on PC that comes even close to GT5's grafix.

Of course it could be done, but I'm just saying.

Slimebeast said: There is no racing game on PC that comes even close to GT5's grafix. Of course it could be done, but I'm just saying.

According to what you read in reviews, dirt 2 on consoles looks almost as good as Forza and GT5. Thus, I believe there is a good chance that dirt 2 pc, one of the first DirectX 11 games, will look as good as if not better. 

I have high hopes for PC exclusive titles next year in outpacing consoles by a wide margin.

I think the whole discussion is missing the point of the OP.

Its not which platform is the better.

Everyone knows that PCs have much more Power and this is obvious because you cant upgrade the CPU/GPU or RAM (ok N64 did this once).

The thing is that the PCs are not as far ahead as they used to be. Previos Generations the PCs were from the beginning minimum 1 Generation ahead. They had 10times or 100times more power. The Graphics were so much better.

But thats over until now the PC had not released a game which make Uncharted 2 look like its last Gen. Ofcourse the Graphic is better but the point is in former Generations this Topic wasnever discused it. Now the people talk about it and the PC Fraction fights wich was never neccessary before. The question is how long will it take to make Console Games look so outdated as the PC made the PS2 look like in 2004. Or the PS1 in 1998.

That just not happend until now. I always had the feeling really quick last Gen or the Gen before that the Graphi sux. But now I dont have the feeling. Because the PC has not shown Games which would make the PS3 or 360 Games look bad.

The thing is that Graphics are just some years away of beeing so good that you cant see a difference to reality. And in the Next gen the PC will need even more Time to make the PS4 look outdated. And the PS5 will be so good that the PC cant make it look outdated because its impossible.

The Consoles have some Advantages that will result in a Price which is always lower then PC. First you can achieve same Graphics with weaker Hardware because you can optemise it on one HArdware Configuration second the Resources of the System are not used by a Power Hungry Operating System. SO you dont need as much Ram as PCs so Consoles will always be cheaper because the Hardware you need to achiev the same result an be weaker much weaker.


I hope the PC gaming will be strong in Future because a lot of trends from the PC came to Consoles which would have never developed if the PC Gaming hasn`t existed.

I think in 10-15 years there will be a dramatic change in the gaming industry because the Graphics race is over. Maybe Consoles wont exist or maybe Sony or Microsoft or Nintendo will sell a Preconfigured Hardware.

Its hard to imagine what will happen if the Graphics Race is over. Stronger Hardware isnt needed anymore. Or maybe they wont sell Graphicscards they will sell PhysicsCards which Emulate the Objects in a game or KI Cards which are for the Intelligence of the Game or something like that.

The nearer we come to the End of the Graphic Evolution the smaller will be the difference between Consoles and PCs.

In the End all technology will merge. And we wont notice the technology as a Piece of Hardware everything will be integrated we wont see it anymore as a System.