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theprof00 on 30 September 2009
Acevil said:
theprof00 said:
I don't claim to know about the industry, I just know common sense.

The thing about your post is that it's not true. The same formula isn't getting reused over and over. Things are constantly changing in the gaming world. Look at MS Live!, look at Bluray and the pseye. Look at headtracking and the 3d movement, Natal and plenty of other stuff. Sure, most those things are due to the success of the wii, but they are not being made because of the wii. These things are natural evolutions of the medium and have just been spurred into quicker development due to the wii succeeding.
Look at video game history, it's filled with peripherals and new ideas and strategies. To say that console gaming is stagnant is absolutely wrong.

In addition, you used the word "eventually". Let's not break into semantics here, but I don't think you yourself have any idea of when "eventually" is going to happen. But that's ok because neither does Malstrom. The concept is universally understood, but it's one of those things that really works much better in hindsight.

Before Sony and Microsoft actually looked at how sucessful Nintendo was doing they wouldn't have focused on Natal or Eyepet to the degree that they have now. So it is actually because of the wii that focus for these things are coming out.

Natural evolution of things doesn't always work, book industry is still declining from a decade ago even with Kindle and E-books, you know why because writing books isn't that profitabl and the same is happening to games right now. We don't know if Natal or PSeye are going to take off but we do know that some companies are in the red and have been in the red for sometime for using the same formula.

 

The only company that is a complete outlier is activision, but that may because of WoW, GH and Call of Duty.

PS: I don't see games dying ever personally, I just think game companies are going to disappear soon.

I'll find the links for you "eventually", but sony and MS have been working on motion and camera based gameplay for quite a while now. That was the natural evolution which they then decided to focus more on due to the success of the wii. The wii didn't suddenly tell everyone that motion is the future. It said, "Hey, this market is totally viable!" So Sony and MS threw everything they had behind it. I think there is a difference, but it may be just me.

VG companies aren't going anywhere believe me. There have only been a handful to close in the past couple years, and that is easily due to the economy and financial collapse. companies close even during good times, or they get bought out. It's just business as usual.



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Acevil on 30 September 2009
theprof00 said:
Acevil said:
theprof00 said:
I don't claim to know about the industry, I just know common sense.

The thing about your post is that it's not true. The same formula isn't getting reused over and over. Things are constantly changing in the gaming world. Look at MS Live!, look at Bluray and the pseye. Look at headtracking and the 3d movement, Natal and plenty of other stuff. Sure, most those things are due to the success of the wii, but they are not being made because of the wii. These things are natural evolutions of the medium and have just been spurred into quicker development due to the wii succeeding.
Look at video game history, it's filled with peripherals and new ideas and strategies. To say that console gaming is stagnant is absolutely wrong.

In addition, you used the word "eventually". Let's not break into semantics here, but I don't think you yourself have any idea of when "eventually" is going to happen. But that's ok because neither does Malstrom. The concept is universally understood, but it's one of those things that really works much better in hindsight.

Before Sony and Microsoft actually looked at how sucessful Nintendo was doing they wouldn't have focused on Natal or Eyepet to the degree that they have now. So it is actually because of the wii that focus for these things are coming out.

Natural evolution of things doesn't always work, book industry is still declining from a decade ago even with Kindle and E-books, you know why because writing books isn't that profitabl and the same is happening to games right now. We don't know if Natal or PSeye are going to take off but we do know that some companies are in the red and have been in the red for sometime for using the same formula.

 

The only company that is a complete outlier is activision, but that may because of WoW, GH and Call of Duty.

PS: I don't see games dying ever personally, I just think game companies are going to disappear soon.

I'll find the links for you "eventually", but sony and MS have been working on motion and camera based gameplay for quite a while now. That was the natural evolution which they then decided to focus more on due to the success of the wii. The wii didn't suddenly tell everyone that motion is the future. It said, "Hey, this market is totally viable!" So Sony and MS threw everything they had behind it. I think there is a difference, but it may be just me.

VG companies aren't going anywhere believe me. There have only been a handful to close in the past couple years, and that is easily due to the economy and financial collapse. companies close even during good times, or they get bought out. It's just business as usual.

Actually Natal was a recent in terms of MS focus since I believe they purchased the company that was making said technology, while the wand and pseye was old, but like you said if it wasn't for Nintendo doing something new and showing it as a viable option, neither company would ever have focused on it or put support behind it.

VG companies the big ones will stay (Square Enix, Capcom, Namco, Activision, EA, Ubisoft) for obvious reasons, but smaller ones are on the way out. Also it wasn't easily due to the economy, they were red for awhile most companies that are closed now. The economy only recently started effectiving games recently and that may because of other reasons.



 

burning_phoneix on 30 September 2009

VG companies the big ones will stay (Square Enix, Capcom, Namco, Activision, EA, Ubisoft) for obvious reasons, but smaller ones are on the way out. Also it wasn't easily due to the economy, they were red for awhile most companies that are closed now. The economy only recently started effectiving games recently and that may because of other reasons.

 

Actually, thanks to digital distrubution models such as Steam,Gamersgate and Impulse as well as things like Xbox Live arcade and Wiiware we're seeing a lot of indie developers like 2DBoy flourish. Also, small publishers like Paradox Interactive are just chugging along nicely delivering quirky titles for PCs.

 



Acevil on 30 September 2009
burning_phoneix said:

VG companies the big ones will stay (Square Enix, Capcom, Namco, Activision, EA, Ubisoft) for obvious reasons, but smaller ones are on the way out. Also it wasn't easily due to the economy, they were red for awhile most companies that are closed now. The economy only recently started effectiving games recently and that may because of other reasons.

 

Actually, thanks to digital distrubution models such as Steam,Gamersgate and Impulse as well as things like Xbox Live arcade and Wiiware we're seeing a lot of indie developers like 2DBoy flourish. Also, small publishers like Paradox Interactive are just chugging along nicely delivering quirky titles for PCs.

 

I actually meant the smaller developers as in not indie developers such as Midway, THQ (once they lose WWE), maybe even Take2 (which isn't small).  Also these companies might simply be bought out like Eidos. Also I know THQ might seem big but I consider them somewhat a smaller developer than the companies I mentioned before.

Anyways I'm out for six hours or so.



 

theprof00 on 30 September 2009

haha well thats simple. Those companies are trash. lol
Midway? Whats the last good thing they put out? Cruisin'? Mortal Kombat?

That company is a joke. At first they had some good stuff, but mal is right about these guy. They only rehash the same shit over and over. They're really pathetic, and the public will decide whether they stay open or not. They'll close.

But, and this is a big BUT, this is a b'donkadonk BUT, there are up and coming game studios that are really getting strong despite the economy. IF mal was talking only about companies like Midway, then he is right. But his vision occludes these other, great, viable companies



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halogamer1989 on 30 September 2009

Oh my the standard business cycle for all markets is going to kill gaming! OH NO RUN AWAY! This guy is taking it to the extreme. All markets have ups and downs and Chapter 11s.



theprof00 on 30 September 2009

at first, I actually thought Mal had some great insight into the industry (6-8 months back). Now, the more I read, the more it looks like he knows nothing about the market.

Blue Ocean? Great, this makes sense!

Make Classics? Are you an idiot?

I think the Malstrom industry is coming to an end. He's starting to sound like Patcher.



Serious_frusting on 30 September 2009

Who ever wrote that is crazzier then i am



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Mr Khan on 30 September 2009
theprof00 said:
@phoenix, probably not. It probably also does not include other forms of revenue.

@avinash
I'm starting to see where you are coming from, and I think it's one of the reasons people have trouble understanding you. You firmly believe in that shovelware model. Hey man, that's fine with me, I understand why. Those companies make quite a lot of dough, but here's the problem.

Casuals at the mean time (on consoles) buy some of the core games. They buy red faction, they buy SMG, and so on. As the casual model approaches higher levels, those casual gamers won't need to buy games like the ones mentioned, because there will be some simpler games that do a similar job for free. This then introduces a large disparity in profit for the developers of the two types of games.
This is what happened to the PC game industry. Although, it did have some help from advanced piracy levels and the internet too. The consoles might not ever see a trend like this happen. Perhaps this is why Nintendo has done things the way they have. Maybe they know that this trend can't happen on consoles, and so that's why they abandoned the seal of quality. Or maybe they want to be the first ones to kill it!! gasp*

There will be a wii HD next generation, because the hardcores have made it possible by funding the technology and fueling the price wars this generation. There will always be a hardcore market in gaming because consoles just seem to work with gaming better than PCs do, somehow. If you think for one second that your fellow members on this site would be happy with mahjong and hearts, you are sadly mistaken. No console gamer wants that future. Ask anybody in here. Nobody wants the shovelware model.

At the end of my rant, I continue to profess that this man (malgrom) is inane, asinine, insane, and an ass, and he needs to be put in a mental hospital or prison, seeing as how he tries so hard to write like letters from the underground. Gaming will never fall, unless it is to bear the weight of some great misfortune like nuclear winter.

Certainly the hardcore market will always be there, but i believe the days in which the demands of hardcore gamers and 3rd party publishers defined the features of new hardware are over. They'll no longer steer the ship that is hardware design.



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theprof00 on 30 September 2009

I agree, but I don't see anyone abandoning the traditional controller any time soon.
Even the wii has traditional controller options.

Even the wiimote itself can be turned sideways to give a traditional control.