Arguments are arguments people, but keep the trolling to a minimum.

BengaBenga said: Wow flamewars a gogo here. How can PS3 fans keep saying: "wait until ... comes out" "next year" "our games are superior" blah blah. It's all simply not true. Accept the PS3 is a failure. Go complain Sony instead of making stupid arguments on this forum. Capcom is only the first to move a big game to Wii and 360's line-up is way superior to PS3. Don't forget that next year april a buyer will walk into the store to buy either a PS3 or 360 it will see MGS4 (probably a great, great game) but will also see Halo3, BioShock, Mass Effect and Gears of War. Then no AAA titles for PS3 for a while. Then September (with some luck GT5) same story, GT5 vs PGR4 and Forza 2. Final Fantasy isn't the system seller it used to be anymore. FF7 was the first of its type, ingame movies, 3discs, epic story. It's not new anymore and the competition in RPG land has increased dramatically. (I think most people agree that Tales of Symphonia was a way better RPG then FF12). Wii is not so much different from 360 competition wise. It sells like no console before and has great games announced and will see much more. (Like I mentioned, Capcom was only the first to move a game from PS3 to Wii, but more will follow. Of course it's easy to bash Wii on its graphic, but be prepared to be totally humiliated saleswise. Super Mario Galaxy, Brawl, Mario Kart and WiiFit will trash PS3. Fatal Frame, Monster Hunter 3, Tales of Symph2, RE:UC, Project O, FF:CC, Zack & Wiki are A+ 3rd party exclusives already announced. Don't be surprised to see Mega Man, Castlevania, Skies of Arcadia and many more arriving on Wii.

Good thing that I play with graphics and playability and not with sales .Then I would be worried that the Wii was beating the PS3 .Just as I would have to be worried that the Tamagotchi could beat it too if it pointed again its ugly face .

Next year the 360 wont have nearly any exclusives ,and some of the games that are now exclusive wont be anymore .Lost Planet ,probably Bioshock ,Eternal Sonata ,etc etc .Soon the only games exclusive for the 360 will be Gears of War ,Halo 3 ,Forza 2 ,PGR4 and Mass Effect .Thats it ,MS own games and some financed second party games .Sony will have more of these .Maybe we are playing not wanting to see whats comings but MGSIV,Gran Turismo 5,Singstar ,Buzz !,Unreal 3,Final Fantasy XIII,Killzone 2,Little Big Planet ,Socom Confrontation,WIpeout HD ,White Knight Story ,Tekken 6  and many more will be out next year ....along with all the other big  multiplattform stuff that will be most of the 360 library then and the ports of the games now exclusive to the 360 as Eternal Sonata and Lost Planet and probably Bioshock .By end 2008 the PS3 lineup will be at least  as good as the 360 one ,probably better .

 Its mad how when questioned about the Wii lineup the Nintendo fans can only say mario mario mario mario.Mario Galaxy is bound less than a month away ,Wii Fit the same ,Mario Smash and Kart are for the first three months of 2008 ,as well as Nights .Mario and Sonic Olympics end of this year .I would like to one Nintendo fan to point to some games coming after march 2008 please .Now we have to believe that spin offs as Crystal Chronicles or cash ins as Soul  Calibur legends are the real deal and games as the before cited PS3 ones  and all the massive multiplattform stuff as Burnout Paradise ,Soul Calibur IV ,Battlefield Bad Company ,Bionic Commando ,Resident Evil 5 ,Silent Hill 5 ,Devil May Cry 4 ,Condemned 2 ,Soldier of Fortune ,Fallout 3 and all the other massive stuff coming to both PS3 and 360 is just some consolation price for not selling more than the special edition of Wii Fit with Jane Fonda on the cover .

The following is an excerpt from The Official Diomedes1976 Webpage: REAL ULTIMATE DEBATER!!!!

Facts:

1. Diomedes1976 is a mammal.
2. Diomedes1976 boosts the PS3 ALL the time.
3. The purpose of Diomedes1976 is to flip out and argue with people who say the PS3 is not the best.

Testimonial:

Diomedes1976 can argue with anyone he wants! Diomedes gets into debates ALL the time and doesn't even think twice about it. This guy is so crazy and awesome that he flips out ALL the time. I heard that he was eating at a diner. And when some dude dropped a spoon he told the whole town to get PS3s. My friend Mark said that he saw him totally uppercut some kid just because the kid was playing a Wii.

A freelancer just said to me that Lost planet PS3 version looks more worse than the X360 version when it still was under developpement (he saw it wendsday at capcom convention) X_X.

Final-Fan said: The following is an excerpt from The Official Diomedes1976 Webpage: REAL ULTIMATE DEBATER!!!! Facts: 1. Diomedes1976 is a mammal. 2. Diomedes1976 boosts the PS3 ALL the time. 3. The purpose of Diomedes1976 is to flip out and argue with people who say the PS3 is not the best. Testimonial: Diomedes1976 can argue with anyone he wants! Diomedes gets into debates ALL the time and doesn't even think twice about it. This guy is so crazy and awesome that he flips out ALL the time. I heard that he was eating at a diner. And when some dude dropped a spoon he told the whole town to get PS3s. My friend Mark said that he saw him totally uppercut some kid just because the kid was playing a Wii.

Fact 4. PS3's sales are undertracked. Wii and Xbox 360 are overtracked.

 

Final-Fan said: The following is an excerpt from The Official Diomedes1976 Webpage: REAL ULTIMATE DEBATER!!!! Facts: 1. Diomedes1976 is a mammal. 2. Diomedes1976 boosts the PS3 ALL the time. 3. The purpose of Diomedes1976 is to flip out and argue with people who say the PS3 is not the best. Testimonial: Diomedes1976 can argue with anyone he wants! Diomedes gets into debates ALL the time and doesn't even think twice about it. This guy is so crazy and awesome that he flips out ALL the time. I heard that he was eating at a diner. And when some dude dropped a spoon he told the whole town to get PS3s. My friend Mark said that he saw him totally uppercut some kid just because the kid was playing a Wii.

A reference to REAL ULTIMATE POWER?

You sir, are made of pure win.
And by pure win, I mean totally sweet.

Diomedes did make a valid point in the most heinous way possible. The Nintendo boosters have used similar crutches to his own. You can't very well attack his logic if you employ it yourself. I have seen the argument creeping up more often as of late. The 360 had a fantastic month. Then suddenly almost on cue Mario games crawled out of the wood work.

There is kind of a double standard at work. He is not permitted to focus on the PS3 lineup. Granted that just about every exclusive PS3 title for the next year makes his list. However it is totally righteous to drag Mario out on a silver platter, and scream he will move a million consoles. You can rip on Metal Gear, GT, or Final Fantasy all you like. However the truth is for the last two generations those titles did move some serious hardware. Meanwhile Mario in all his glory could not bring dominance to Nintendo in the last two generations.

Right now that seems like a superfluous point, and quite frankly it is. Obviously the Wii can sell regardless of whether it has anymore titles with Mario or not. Some would argue that the machine would still fly of shelves even if all it had was sports, play, and party. Disturbing as that is to most gamers sadly it is probably true. Nintendo actually doesn't need Mario. All they need is a few party games each year. Not entirely sure why the fan base feels threatened, and need to tout these titles.

Not defending his logic by any stretch, but it does feel somewhat idiotic to call him names for playing these games if you play the exact same games. His Metal Gear argument is just as valid as your Mario Galaxy argument. Historically speaking his argument carries a bit more weight. Unfair though that might seem. I have loved every Mario platformer, kart, fighter Nintendo has made in recent years. I often feel sad we seem to only get one per generation. They were really fantastic games. However that said they didn't really bring Nintendo a lot of success. Even though they were perfect or almost perfect games.

Dodece said: Diomedes did make a valid point in the most heinous way possible. The Nintendo boosters have used similar crutches to his own. You can't very well attack his logic if you employ it yourself. I have seen the argument creeping up more often as of late. The 360 had a fantastic month. Then suddenly almost on cue Mario games crawled out of the wood work. There is kind of a double standard at work. He is not permitted to focus on the PS3 lineup. Granted that just about every exclusive PS3 title for the next year makes his list. However it is totally righteous to drag Mario out on a silver platter, and scream he will move a million consoles. You can rip on Metal Gear, GT, or Final Fantasy all you like. However the truth is for the last two generations those titles did move some serious hardware. Meanwhile Mario in all his glory could not bring dominance to Nintendo in the last two generations. Right now that seems like a superfluous point, and quite frankly it is. Obviously the Wii can sell regardless of whether it has anymore titles with Mario or not. Some would argue that the machine would still fly of shelves even if all it had was sports, play, and party. Disturbing as that is to most gamers sadly it is probably true. Nintendo actually doesn't need Mario. All they need is a few party games each year. Not entirely sure why the fan base feels threatened, and need to tout these titles. Not defending his logic by any stretch, but it does feel somewhat idiotic to call him names for playing these games if you play the exact same games. His Metal Gear argument is just as valid as your Mario Galaxy argument. Historically speaking his argument carries a bit more weight. Unfair though that might seem. I have loved every Mario platformer, kart, fighter Nintendo has made in recent years. I often feel sad we seem to only get one per generation. They were really fantastic games. However that said they didn't really bring Nintendo a lot of success. Even though they were perfect or almost perfect games.

It's true that GT, FF, and MGS have sold comparably to SM, MK, and SSB -- although the Nintendo software has about triple the attachment rate -- but Diomedes goes on to say that the other dozen-plus PS3 exclusives blow the Wii's dozen-plus exclusives out of the water.  This is just not true.  (Correction:  He actually says that about the 360.  But given the opportunity I'm sure he'd say the same of the Wii, especially given his comments dismissing the system's third-party presence in general.)

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The difference between PS3 and the X360 version.