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HappySqurriel said:
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Finally, you can't assume that developers will choose to release a game to the PC, XBox 360 and PS3; the PS3 has a very different architecture, different APIs (XBox 360 and Windows XP/Vista have most games developed in DirectX), and has a much smaller userbase and is selling far slower in the regions where PC games sell well.

I honestly have no idea if this is true, but I do want to know. Evidence plz?

I will restate it for you ... PC games do not sell in Japan


And what of Europe? 

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MMOs are really a Europe/USA thing. Anyway, Capcom made a smart choice. End of story.



We can play a little game,each time a game is announced we count the plattforms it is on.Starting this week we have SF4,Dark Void,Sega Superstars Tennis,Commandos 3,Bionic Commando,Rat Race,Lost Planet...count boys.

As for PS3 exclusives it will have the same as the 360...first and second party,subsidized games and some bought exclusives.Enough,along free online gaming ,Home interface,and BR player ,to differentiate itself.



Wow.. really.. never heard of RO and RF online? not to mention 1000s of others



HappySqurriel said:
Diomedes1976 said:
Capcom can go to hell ,they havent released a single PS3 game and are stil nitpicking that the console doesnt sell as expected .Go to hell Capcom ,the console is selling better that the 360 last year worldwide so shut the mouth .

Lost Planet is a good game ,and with the free online play and all the DLC in one BR it should be a competent package .If it is sold at a reduced price I could even buy it myself .But this isnt the kind of game we were expecting to counter the loss of MH3 .

All in all if Dark Void and SF4 are heading for the PS3 (even as multiplattform ) I think it would be a acceptable change .We lose MH3 and get instead Dark Void ,Streetfighter 4 ,Bionic Commando and Lost Planet .Four games ,three of them new ,instead of one .

Dodece :I know you like the current situation but you are calculating it like a madman.You see ,most of the games are being announced for the PS3 .The Wii ,on the other hand ,cant say the same .Prototype ?Pandora the Box ?Battlefield Bad Company ?Army of Two ?Fallout 3 ?Dark Void ?Bionic Commando?Etc etc .The day the new games are announced for 360 and Wii exclusively then you speak ,like it or now but even with the PS3 selling less its still a safer bet to develop a game for 360-PS3-PC and spend something in the PS3 version that to develop a totally new (and screwed ) Wii version from scratch because the machine cant handle the game .

Every month you seem to get a little more bitter and delusional ...

You (probably) shouldn't do a direct comparison of the systems with aligned launches on a worldwide basis to make any conclusions. The PS3 has 3 regions it can sell in (remember most third parties are regional) as compared to two for the XBox 360, the XBox 360 lived in 'the shadow' of the PS3 (and was bashed for being too expensive by Sony fans) until E3 2006, the XBox 360 was supply limited through a large portion of 2006 whereas the PS3 has been readily available since soon after launch, the PS3 has had a 1 Million unit boost from their launch in Europe, and the PS3 is much later to market meaning it has to catch up.

The Wii has also had way more games announced since the platforms launched ... The PS3 had over 200 games announced as of January 1st 2007 when most people where asking what was going to be available for the Wii; since then there have been more games released on the Wii in 2007 and its 2008 release list almost matches the PS3's in size. Being that the Wii is going to start 2008 with 2 to 2.5 times the userbase of the PS3, and has development costs that are 1/4 to 1/2 that of PS3 games, I think it is going to see a large number of announcements in 2008.

Finally, you can't assume that developers will choose to release a game to the PC, XBox 360 and PS3; the PS3 has a very different architecture, different APIs (XBox 360 and Windows XP/Vista have most games developed in DirectX), and has a much smaller userbase and is selling far slower in the regions where PC games sell well. On top of that the PC gaming market is both growing and shrinking, small budget "casual" games with graphics similar to Wii games have been steadily growing for about a decade whilst big budget "Hard-core" games with high end graphics have been steadily shrinking for about a decade; the general consensus is that people don't see the value in spending $500 for a graphics card to play the same games anymore.

Edit: The MMO market on PCs is also growing but I doubt that will help the XBox 360 or PS3 being that the console is not well suited to a MMO game and would likely have a far inferior version.


First ,the number of games announced for the PS3 this year is far superior to the WIi ones.We can play the counting game when you want .Basically all the games announced except some rare expceptions (World in Conflict ,MH3) from third parties are getting PS3 releases .The Wii cant even dream about this situation right now.Even if it managed so it would sistematically get the crap version .

 Second ,doing a direct comparision aligning launches isnt totally possible but one way or another it must be done .The PS3 was released in Europe end march instead of november ,you must remember that .If it had been launched last november in Europe with the christmas campaign the actual sales would be near 3 million now for example .The 360 not selling in Japan doesnt give it a excuse so dont call me delusional .The worlwide sales are the worlwide sales and you cant say the 360 did better because " it only has two markets " .What about if it only had one market and did very well there ,would it still be an excuse to be beaten ?THe PS3 has three markets and the 360 only two ,and thats why in the end of the day even if it ends behind the 360 in NA it will beat it worldwide .No excuses here or "if it sold well in Japan " ,just the reality .PS3 is no doubt having a slow start and more painful than started first year .But I predicted it would be around 400 for this end of year a lot of time ago ,and from now on and with the stellar lineup of endyear and specially 2008 its sales there (and hopefully in NA as well ) will increase to levels when the 360 advantage in NA cant compensate .

 Third ,third party games on the Wii are selling like crap .Dont expect so many announcements ,most development teams have their tech and development teams and ambitious projects and wont develop for a inferior machine .If that was the case all the developments would go to the PS2 or to average graphics card Pcs .Thats the way of development ,always forward .Maybe some will try quick cash-ins if the userbase is big enough on the Wii ,sure ,but cash-in arent usually very good games and once accustomed to way more powerful machines the developers wont squeeze their brains to manage the best of the Wii hardware to equal ,say ,Half Life 2 or Doom 3 on the Xbox.Specially when most of the WIi software sold is just Nintendo franchises .When some developers are saying that NIntendo is shaping the market to their own (and only their own ) benefice and that the users of the Wii are most casual gamers that are happy with a Nintendo game here and there they arent just speculating .

Fourth ,MMO on console havent been seen too often ,but with Sony agreement with NCS we will see some of those on the PS3 .



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Diomedes1976 said:

 



Basically all the games announced except some rare expceptions (World in Conflict ,MH3) from third parties are getting PS3 releases .The Wii cant even dream about this situation right now.Even if it managed so it would sistematically get the crap version .



You mean like PES 2008, which according to the developers themselves has its most groundbreaking version in the Wii, and which PS3 version ran slower than the 360 version?

IGN: In the PS3 version we've played we noticed some slow-down in the game, plus the crowd and stadiums aren't as polished as some of the on-pitch features. Will you look to rectify this in the next game?

Seabass: Of course. To be honest I don't think the slow-down is that bad compared to the 360 and as I said, we don't create just a PS3 game, we created both together. But when we compared them directly we were shocked because the PS3 has a little bit more slowdown and we don't really know why.
 


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Just for the record: When I criticized HappySquirrel's points, I didn't mean to imply that Diomedes was not being a raging fanboy.



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Dodece said:
@Diomedes1976

You made my point for me thank you. Exactly the PS3 is going to get ports rather then the big exclusive titles. The militant Sony fans need to come to terms with this. Their is ample financial incentive for companies to not develop exclusive titles for the platform. Some on these forums are attacking Capcom for doing smart business, and behave as if Capcom owes them something.

I cannot believe that both you, and I can see the silver lining. Yes Sony lost a major exclusive title. However it is not the end of the world if your hope as a gamer is to get many titles, and still maintain support. The PS3 is still going to get support its just not going to be that dedicated support it had.

Frankly these militants need to be happy that they are getting something. Rather then nothing at all even if it is scraps. Sony needs to maintain developer support for their platform. Thankfully the market has the 360 in the mix. That makes porting more profitable. The developers can make a high end game for the 360, and then port it to the PS3 for additional profits. That helps to defer the expenses, and reduces the costs for games for the PS3.

Well ,although I more or less agree with you ,I will have some clarifications .

First ,the PS3 receiving ports of most games assures the PS3 users most games in the markets .Here we agree I think .Having a console is about precisely that ,having most games on the market .The PS2 had most games ,although few times its version was the best one .And the sheer amount of games for it finally won the day .That may happen or not ,but PS3 owners dont need to worry about receiving games .

Second ,the PS3 has received a lot of ports but it will more and more receive simultaneous developments for games on the 360 and PC.Difficulty programming it and learning curves are still putting the PS3 releases some weeks after the 360 version but that amount of time diminishes as the months pass and next year it will have simultaneous releases with the 360 versions .So not exactly ports ,that we call to games already finished in one format and months later receiving a port on another with little care sometimes .

Third ,we will see if Capcom  are making smart business when MH3 comes out on the Wii .If the software sales on the Wii keep as low in Japan as right now and the Famitsu president words about 67% Wii users being inactive users are true maybe Capcom will think again about abandoning the crowd that loved their franchise ,the Playstation users .If they sell a bucketload then I will agree with you ,they did the better for them .

Fourth ,as long as exclusives go by .Name me some 360 exclusives next year that dont come from MS by first or second party .Sony will manage just the same by its first and second parties .With a difference ,though .Sony has a lot more developing teams that MS ,with people as Zipper ,Evolution ,Insomniac ,Incognito ,Naughty Dog ,Studio Santa Monica ,Guerrilla ,Team Ico ,Game Republic ,London Studios ,Liverpool Studios ,Clap Hanz ,Sony Online ,Sucker Punch ,Ready at Dawn ,Eat Sleep and Play ,Factor 5  ....etc etc .And just as Microsoft it has bought and will continue buying some exclusives and alliances ,with NCS for example for MMO in the console ,and we can name at least some exclusive bought as the one Quantic Dreams is preparing them ,the one Rockstar is preparing them ,the one Epic is preparing for them ,White Knight Story and Dark Cloud 3 developed for them by Level 5 etc etc .We could call those second party games as they are financed by Sony  ,but they are exclusives and by top developers all the same and will put its weight behind the PS3  .One last thing is that a lot of small japanese developers will develop  games for the PS3 and not for the 360 .Some of those games may be obscure and not important at all ,but others can be sleeper hits that will be later grabbed by distributors and brought to NA and Europe .



NJ5 said:
Diomedes1976 said:

 



Basically all the games announced except some rare expceptions (World in Conflict ,MH3) from third parties are getting PS3 releases .The Wii cant even dream about this situation right now.Even if it managed so it would sistematically get the crap version .



You mean like PES 2008, which according to the developers themselves has its most groundbreaking version in the Wii, and which PS3 version ran slower than the 360 version?

IGN: In the PS3 version we've played we noticed some slow-down in the game, plus the crowd and stadiums aren't as polished as some of the on-pitch features. Will you look to rectify this in the next game?

Seabass: Of course. To be honest I don't think the slow-down is that bad compared to the 360 and as I said, we don't create just a PS3 game, we created both together. But when we compared them directly we were shocked because the PS3 has a little bit more slowdown and we don't really know why.

No ,I mean like getting something out of the PS2 or the Game Cube  ,as most of the Wii games .



Wow flamewars a gogo here.

How can PS3 fans keep saying: "wait until ... comes out" "next year" "our games are superior" blah blah.

It's all simply not true. Accept the PS3 is a failure. Go complain Sony instead of making stupid arguments on this forum.

Capcom is only the first to move a big game to Wii and 360's line-up is way superior to PS3. Don't forget that next year april a buyer will walk into the store to buy either a PS3 or 360 it will see MGS4 (probably a great, great game) but will also see Halo3, BioShock, Mass Effect and Gears of War.
Then no AAA titles for PS3 for a while. Then September (with some luck GT5) same story, GT5 vs PGR4 and Forza 2.
Final Fantasy isn't the system seller it used to be anymore. FF7 was the first of its type, ingame movies, 3discs, epic story. It's not new anymore and the competition in RPG land has increased dramatically. (I think most people agree that Tales of Symphonia was a way better RPG then FF12).

Wii is not so much different from 360 competition wise. It sells like no console before and has great games announced and will see much more. (Like I mentioned, Capcom was only the first to move a game from PS3 to Wii, but more will follow. Of course it's easy to bash Wii on its graphic, but be prepared to be totally humiliated saleswise.

Super Mario Galaxy, Brawl, Mario Kart and WiiFit will trash PS3.
Fatal Frame, Monster Hunter 3, Tales of Symph2, RE:UC, Project O, FF:CC, Zack & Wiki are A+ 3rd party exclusives already announced.
Don't be surprised to see Mega Man, Castlevania, Skies of Arcadia and many more arriving on Wii.