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Avinash_Tyagi on 21 September 2009
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Because all the liberals are Israel hating bastards! Yeah!

In general liberals due seem rather apathetic towards Israel.  Quite a few heavier leaning left wing people blame Israel for the middle east hating us... and think if we just gave them the heave ho and let the country die  the middle east would suddenly like us.

Apathy isn't hate, we just don't want the US to be Israel's lapdog, seriously, why should we do things against our own interests just because of them, if they do something stupid against us, we should teach them a lesson

7% of democrats see Israel as the enemy of the US.

 


 I don't see them as enemies, but how much blowback have we gotten because of Israel?  How many American lives have been lost because of America's relationship with Israel, and Israeli actions?  Probably a lot.  So when they do things against our interest, its easy to understand the old saying, With friends like them who needs enemies.



 

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Kasz216 on 21 September 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Because all the liberals are Israel hating bastards! Yeah!

In general liberals due seem rather apathetic towards Israel.  Quite a few heavier leaning left wing people blame Israel for the middle east hating us... and think if we just gave them the heave ho and let the country die  the middle east would suddenly like us.

Apathy isn't hate, we just don't want the US to be Israel's lapdog, seriously, why should we do things against our own interests just because of them, if they do something stupid against us, we should teach them a lesson

7% of democrats see Israel as the enemy of the US.

 


 I don't see them as enemies, but how much blowback have we gotten because of Israel?  How many American lives have been lost because of America's relationship with Israel, and Israeli actions?  Probably a lot.  So when they do things against our interest, its easy to understand the old saying, With friends like them who needs enemies.

And.... you are shifting the arguement... and at the same time proving my point.

I'm guessing then you agree that the US should shoot down Israeli planes if they try and bomb Iran?



halogamer1989 on 21 September 2009

As much as I would want to stay out of it, Israel and the ME is a way to understand what is going on in the ME. A window of intelligence so to speak. We need them now if Iran tries to establish itself as the USSR of the ME - this is plausible since Iraq was essentially what kept Iran from influencing the ME in general. Iran wants to be Persia again.



Avinash_Tyagi on 21 September 2009
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Because all the liberals are Israel hating bastards! Yeah!

In general liberals due seem rather apathetic towards Israel.  Quite a few heavier leaning left wing people blame Israel for the middle east hating us... and think if we just gave them the heave ho and let the country die  the middle east would suddenly like us.

Apathy isn't hate, we just don't want the US to be Israel's lapdog, seriously, why should we do things against our own interests just because of them, if they do something stupid against us, we should teach them a lesson

7% of democrats see Israel as the enemy of the US.

 


 I don't see them as enemies, but how much blowback have we gotten because of Israel?  How many American lives have been lost because of America's relationship with Israel, and Israeli actions?  Probably a lot.  So when they do things against our interest, its easy to understand the old saying, With friends like them who needs enemies.

And.... you are shifting the arguement... and at the same time proving my point.

I'm guessing then you agree that the US should shoot down Israeli planes if they try and bomb Iran?

I'm not shifting the argument show me how I'm doing that, my point is still the same, you argued that Dems are apathetic to Israel, I pointed out that its not hate, but disapproval of Israelis policy, and saying that we have suffered because of their policy and actions is supporting my point, so where is the shift.

Yes I do think if they try to do it without our permission, we should shoot them down



 

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Kasz216 on 21 September 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Because all the liberals are Israel hating bastards! Yeah!

In general liberals due seem rather apathetic towards Israel.  Quite a few heavier leaning left wing people blame Israel for the middle east hating us... and think if we just gave them the heave ho and let the country die  the middle east would suddenly like us.

Apathy isn't hate, we just don't want the US to be Israel's lapdog, seriously, why should we do things against our own interests just because of them, if they do something stupid against us, we should teach them a lesson

7% of democrats see Israel as the enemy of the US.

 


 I don't see them as enemies, but how much blowback have we gotten because of Israel?  How many American lives have been lost because of America's relationship with Israel, and Israeli actions?  Probably a lot.  So when they do things against our interest, its easy to understand the old saying, With friends like them who needs enemies.

And.... you are shifting the arguement... and at the same time proving my point.

I'm guessing then you agree that the US should shoot down Israeli planes if they try and bomb Iran?

I'm not shifting the argument show me how I'm doing that, my point is still the same, you argued that Dems are apathetic to Israel, I pointed out that its not hate, but disapproval of Israelis policy, and saying that we have suffered because of their policy and actions is supporting my point, so where is the shift.

Yes I do think if they try to do it without our permission, we should shoot them down

Your argument is shifting because you are argueing why 7% of democrats see America as our enemy... and arugeing they have good reason to.

Seeing someone as your enemy would be hating them, no?

How many allies bombers do countries shoot out of the air?



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halogamer1989 on 21 September 2009

News guys. Carter II, ahem, President Obama is wishy washy on Afghan strategy - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/21/world/asia/21prexy.html

God, this is going to be his Vietnam.



Avinash_Tyagi on 21 September 2009
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Because all the liberals are Israel hating bastards! Yeah!

In general liberals due seem rather apathetic towards Israel.  Quite a few heavier leaning left wing people blame Israel for the middle east hating us... and think if we just gave them the heave ho and let the country die  the middle east would suddenly like us.

Apathy isn't hate, we just don't want the US to be Israel's lapdog, seriously, why should we do things against our own interests just because of them, if they do something stupid against us, we should teach them a lesson

7% of democrats see Israel as the enemy of the US.

 


 I don't see them as enemies, but how much blowback have we gotten because of Israel?  How many American lives have been lost because of America's relationship with Israel, and Israeli actions?  Probably a lot.  So when they do things against our interest, its easy to understand the old saying, With friends like them who needs enemies.

And.... you are shifting the arguement... and at the same time proving my point.

I'm guessing then you agree that the US should shoot down Israeli planes if they try and bomb Iran?

I'm not shifting the argument show me how I'm doing that, my point is still the same, you argued that Dems are apathetic to Israel, I pointed out that its not hate, but disapproval of Israelis policy, and saying that we have suffered because of their policy and actions is supporting my point, so where is the shift.

Yes I do think if they try to do it without our permission, we should shoot them down

Your argument is shifting because you are argueing why 7% of democrats see America as our enemy... and arugeing they have good reason to.

Seeing someone as your enemy would be hating them, no?

How many allies bombers do countries shoot out of the air?

Wrong, maybe you need to take a class in reading comprehension and rhetoric.

 

The only shifter in this argument is you.

 

In your first comment you said in general Democrats have Apathy towards Israel, 7% of Dems is not in general, so that was your shift.  My point was about Democrats in General including myself, not a 7% minority

 

Now secondly I wasn't arguing for those 7%, did you not read the initial part of my comment, "I don't see them as enemies", maybe you need help with this, the word I means referring to myself, not to others.

 

If they wnat to use our airspace without our permission to do things against our interest, they aren't being our allies.



 

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Avinash_Tyagi on 21 September 2009
halogamer1989 said:
News guys. Carter II, ahem, President Obama is wishy washy on Afghan strategy - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/21/world/asia/21prexy.html

God, this is going to be his Vietnam.

Vietnam became a debacle because LBJ sent more troops, so being hesitant to send more troops is not a bad move



 

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Kasz216 on 21 September 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:
Because all the liberals are Israel hating bastards! Yeah!

In general liberals due seem rather apathetic towards Israel.  Quite a few heavier leaning left wing people blame Israel for the middle east hating us... and think if we just gave them the heave ho and let the country die  the middle east would suddenly like us.

Apathy isn't hate, we just don't want the US to be Israel's lapdog, seriously, why should we do things against our own interests just because of them, if they do something stupid against us, we should teach them a lesson

7% of democrats see Israel as the enemy of the US.

 


 I don't see them as enemies, but how much blowback have we gotten because of Israel?  How many American lives have been lost because of America's relationship with Israel, and Israeli actions?  Probably a lot.  So when they do things against our interest, its easy to understand the old saying, With friends like them who needs enemies.

And.... you are shifting the arguement... and at the same time proving my point.

I'm guessing then you agree that the US should shoot down Israeli planes if they try and bomb Iran?

I'm not shifting the argument show me how I'm doing that, my point is still the same, you argued that Dems are apathetic to Israel, I pointed out that its not hate, but disapproval of Israelis policy, and saying that we have suffered because of their policy and actions is supporting my point, so where is the shift.

Yes I do think if they try to do it without our permission, we should shoot them down

Your argument is shifting because you are argueing why 7% of democrats see America as our enemy... and arugeing they have good reason to.

Seeing someone as your enemy would be hating them, no?

How many allies bombers do countries shoot out of the air?

Wrong, maybe you need to take a class in reading comprehension and rhetoric.

 

The only shifter in this argument is you.

 

In your first comment you said in general Democrats have Apathy towards Israel, 7% of Dems is not in general, so that was your shift.  My point was about Democrats in General including myself, not a 7% minority

 

Now secondly I wasn't arguing for those 7%, did you not read the initial part of my comment, "I don't see them as enemies", maybe you need help with this, the word I means referring to myself, not to others.

 

If they wnat to use our airspace without our permission to do things against our interest, they aren't being our allies.

No.  My original argument was the LIBERALS were apathetic towards Israel.

Liberals =/= democrats.

Though I do admit it does seem that Liberals aren't apathetic towards Israel... but infact hate Israel.

Also while yous aid "I don't see them as enemies."  You do justify said hate.

 

Also keep that 7% in mind.  7% of democrats hate Israel vs 1% of Republicans.

Republicans are supposed to have the antisemitic people... right?    So 7 times as many people hate Israel?



Avinash_Tyagi on 21 September 2009

No I didn't justify hate, I clearly said that they aren't good friends and that we've suffered because of them, so I was pointing out why I don't have the love for them that many in the US have.

Liberals =/= Democrats is splitting hairs because you went on to say 7% of Dems in your argument



 

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