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vlad321 said:
ironman said:

A super sensative mouse, to a regular mouse, as an HD TV is to a SD TV. A sensative laser tracking mouse "sees" more than your run of the mill laser mouse.

Here, just so I don't have to try and argue with you about the keyboard,  Ithink these next three links will pretty much answer all your failed rebuttle against said hardware.

Fully customizeable keyboard http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/77ba?cpg=cj You can put the keys wherever you want.

Fully programmable keyboard http://www.gogamer.com/Razer-Lycosa-Gaming-Keyboard-Keyboards_stcVVproductId26983318VVcatId444858VVviewprod.htm   With this bad boy, you can program keys to run button combo macros. so instead of hitting a four button combo, you just hit one button.

A specialized gaming keyboard http://www.cdromshop.com/cdshop/desc/p.826734003458.html This one is set up to reduce the chance of hitting the wrong key, it is also more comfortable and is "quicker" to use than your average keyboard. 

These are just three of literally thousands of specialized gaming keyboards out there.

I ask you this, if graphics don't impact gameplay and skill, why did you bring up having better graphics as a retort mo my saying they don't really matter. Also, why would you say "They are all too slow, simplified, and innacurate to manage to do anything to something moves faster than 2 pixels a second on the screen." It would seem that once again, you contradict yourself. Anyway, I really don't know why you call yourself a PC gamer, you know less about PC gaming hardware than my little sister...and she doesn't game at all.

Hey, one last word of advice, please re-read your posts, it's hard to understand what you mean with all the typos.

 

I honestly thought you'd have atleast realized enough to throw the G15 at me (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3498&cl=US,EN) but you chose even worse keyboards. Please explain to me how the ones you showed me will "maximize keypresses." Are they any closer than the WASD and the space key? Do they somehow offer quicker response between the Keybaord and the game? I don't think so. The only thing that I can think of that it has a benefit in are RTS games or other games that have multiple hotkeys to get an action, like Stracraft for buildings/units. 

Let me show you what the best of the best when it comes to shooters uses:

That's right. DO you see any extra keybindings or anything? Yeah.... I didn't think so. All it has is LED backlight. Which is only so he can play in the dark. Yeah.... please find somethign else to whine about.

Mice: Really? REALLY? Honestly the only reason I don't use a ball mouse right now is because I don't wanna clean it all the time and the weight. And I also only bought a laser mouse so that I can play on almost any surface I want, since it's a laptop and it moves around a lot. Most of your uber mice nowadays come with weights so you can adjust to whatever you were used to beforehand and the only true benefit mice can offer are on the fly sensitivity changes. Which you can write a nice lil bind on your KBD anyhow.

You never broought up graphics outside of saying that better graphics = more skill, which is outright false. People consistently turn off things such as bloom, mouse acceleraton, motion blur, etc. because those effects make it more difficult to see people from the background. And truth, I meant that you can't do anything to something that moves faster than 2 pixels a second. Typing at 2am while working on lisp has adverse effects on my spelling.

 

Oooh, how long did you google to find that bad boy? I did a quick 30 second google for each keyboard I posted just to give ytou an IDEA of what was out there. Two of the keyboards I showed you are "quet" to reduce fatigue, and have rubberized keys to give the player more control. So I'm sorry, but the other keyboards do give an edge to PC players, be it in key placement, Key feel, or programming. So it is quite clear you know very little about keyboards. Now, as far as the mice go, once again, a mouse that "sees" in a higher DPI will be more ACCURATE than one that "sees" in a lower DPI. that is a very important word. it means that the mice are more controlled and will "move" smoother across your screen. The fact that you don't know this, proves to me that you really don't have a clue what you are saying. 

I brought up the graphics to make a point, nobody can fiddle with the graphics on a console, therefore everybody gets the same experiance. And nobody has a larger advantage.

 

Torillian, Even though the issue was reported, the reported user was not banned, I have been banned for much less...several times...infact one ban was completely reversed. So basically, I have reason to be a little put off by the mojority of the modding community around here. Now, Any further rebuttle should be taken to my wall where it belongs, not clogging up a thread.



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ironman said:
vlad321 said:
ironman said:

 

Oooh, how long did you google to find that bad boy? I did a quick 30 second google for each keyboard I posted just to give ytou an IDEA of what was out there. Two of the keyboards I showed you are "quet" to reduce fatigue, and have rubberized keys to give the player more control. So I'm sorry, but the other keyboards do give an edge to PC players, be it in key placement, Key feel, or programming. So it is quite clear you know very little about keyboards. Now, as far as the mice go, once again, a mouse that "sees" in a higher DPI will be more ACCURATE than one that "sees" in a lower DPI. that is a very important word. it means that the mice are more controlled and will "move" smoother across your screen. The fact that you don't know this, proves to me that you really don't have a clue what you are saying. 

I brought up the graphics to counter your argument, and once again, I was playing along with YOU to prove how absurd your argument was. Please reread my previous posts. I like how you used superior graphics to prove that PCs were better, and then, when called on it, did a 180 and said better graphics are a bad thing.

Nice features and all, but I'm not really seeing how that's going to be oh so amazing for performance. I'm not saying that they can't help, but not in a bad way in which you seem to be making it out to be. In fact, You could easily change out keyboard for controller here.

There's a third party PS3 controller that looks like an Xbox 360 controller and you can also switch the d-pad and left analog stick positions. There's the real triggers for the PS3 controller to make using R2 and L2 more comfortable for people. I believe the new Modern Warfare 2 branded controllers have a button on the back dedicated for melee. Controllers have skins for improved grip. Oh and lets not forget the one that's been there for a very long time, turbo.

Again, I'm using a keyboard from 2003 and can play games well despite the fact that a majority of the keys have smooth surfaces now.



IllegalPaladin said:
ironman said:
vlad321 said:
ironman said:

A super sensative mouse, to a regular mouse, as an HD TV is to a SD TV. A sensative laser tracking mouse "sees" more than your run of the mill laser mouse.

Here, just so I don't have to try and argue with you about the keyboard,  Ithink these next three links will pretty much answer all your failed rebuttle against said hardware.

Fully customizeable keyboard http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/77ba?cpg=cj You can put the keys wherever you want.

Fully programmable keyboard http://www.gogamer.com/Razer-Lycosa-Gaming-Keyboard-Keyboards_stcVVproductId26983318VVcatId444858VVviewprod.htm   With this bad boy, you can program keys to run button combo macros. so instead of hitting a four button combo, you just hit one button.

A specialized gaming keyboard http://www.cdromshop.com/cdshop/desc/p.826734003458.html This one is set up to reduce the chance of hitting the wrong key, it is also more comfortable and is "quicker" to use than your average keyboard. 

These are just three of literally thousands of specialized gaming keyboards out there.

I ask you this, if graphics don't impact gameplay and skill, why did you bring up having better graphics as a retort mo my saying they don't really matter. Also, why would you say "They are all too slow, simplified, and innacurate to manage to do anything to something moves faster than 2 pixels a second on the screen." It would seem that once again, you contradict yourself. Anyway, I really don't know why you call yourself a PC gamer, you know less about PC gaming hardware than my little sister...and she doesn't game at all.

Hey, one last word of advice, please re-read your posts, it's hard to understand what you mean with all the typos.

 

Cool keyboards, but I still think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill with this keyboard and mouse argument. Especially if, like I said in my other post a few pages back, my Logitech G5 mouse cost about $45 which is $10 less than a Dualshock 3 and good for much more than games (Makes using software like Final Cut Pro on Macs so much better). Mainly, it offers more buttons and a higher quality and higher DPI laser engine or whatever it's called that can be used on any surface I've tried (though I don't play games with the mouse on my pant leg) and the laser doesn't stop after a period of inactivity like the basic mice do. Like I said before, I used to play my games with a standard mouse and did well. Heck, the Logitech G5 sucks in Half-Life 1 engine games since for some reason it has trouble moving diagonally.

Also, why comment about controls having simplified layouts if you're going to post a keyboard with a dedicated area for playing games (the third link)? As for myself, I'm still sticking to my old keyboards. lol, I not only used to play FPS games with the arrow keys of a keyboard, but I was also very good at Counter-Strike on an ergonomic keyboard and it had small arrow keys in the shape of a diamond (the same thing as the image below).

 

As for graphics, you can go in a number of ways. If you want you can get the very best out of everything, but it'll obviously cost you. You could also just turn down graphical settings if you're computer can't handle it and have fun. I've played Battlefield 2 with a mere x300 for a while and that didn't kill the overall experience one bit. In fact, since I could only display low settings, the game ran perfectly. You could also have a good computer, but just turn down some settings that can hurt your frame rate and aren't too important. Team fortress 2 might have some jaggies and doesn't always run over 60fps, but I've put in over 200 hours playing it and it's still fun as hell. You can do whatever you want and it's not like you're tied down, unless your computer can't run ANYTHING.

Lastly, I've already pointed out that the Radeon 4870 is a good card and only costs around $130-150, much less than your $500 suggestion from earlier on. Again, you don't need to spend $500 on something like a GTX 295 unless you're tower is packed with top tier hardware with a large monitor that can display your games in the highest resolution possible.

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@SSJ, because it costs too much :P

I also really wanted to try it, but didn't get a chance when they had demo tents up on campus one day.... But no, I had to put my tuition to good use and go to class.

New tech always costs a ton. Look at the PS3's launch price. Look at new GPUs when they are launched. Look at new, high-end CPUs. Look at the Wii. That Novint Falcon costs easily half the price of any new GPUs and CPUs, and twice the price of my old Razer Keyboard. Its worth it.



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I know, but I did put a :P there for a reason.

The capabilities of it seem cool and I'd really love to try one out. However, I'm a little worried about how you have to grab onto it and not really rest your arm anywhere. Maybe it's better than cutting off circulation when using a mouse, but just seeing images of people using the Falcon make me a little worried for my already sore wrists.

Maybe it's nothing.



^ But seriously, close to $200 for a CONTROLLER. No.



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IllegalPaladin said:

 

Ah, ergonomic keyboards: so awesome.

High-five!



IllegalPaladin said:
ironman said:
vlad321 said:
ironman said:

 

Oooh, how long did you google to find that bad boy? I did a quick 30 second google for each keyboard I posted just to give ytou an IDEA of what was out there. Two of the keyboards I showed you are "quet" to reduce fatigue, and have rubberized keys to give the player more control. So I'm sorry, but the other keyboards do give an edge to PC players, be it in key placement, Key feel, or programming. So it is quite clear you know very little about keyboards. Now, as far as the mice go, once again, a mouse that "sees" in a higher DPI will be more ACCURATE than one that "sees" in a lower DPI. that is a very important word. it means that the mice are more controlled and will "move" smoother across your screen. The fact that you don't know this, proves to me that you really don't have a clue what you are saying. 

I brought up the graphics to counter your argument, and once again, I was playing along with YOU to prove how absurd your argument was. Please reread my previous posts. I like how you used superior graphics to prove that PCs were better, and then, when called on it, did a 180 and said better graphics are a bad thing.

Nice features and all, but I'm not really seeing how that's going to be oh so amazing for performance. I'm not saying that they can't help, but not in a bad way in which you seem to be making it out to be. In fact, You could easily change out keyboard for controller here.

There's a third party PS3 controller that looks like an Xbox 360 controller and you can also switch the d-pad and left analog stick positions. There's the real triggers for the PS3 controller to make using R2 and L2 more comfortable for people. I believe the new Modern Warfare 2 branded controllers have a button on the back dedicated for melee. Controllers have skins for improved grip. Oh and lets not forget the one that's been there for a very long time, turbo.

Again, I'm using a keyboard from 2003 and can play games well despite the fact that a majority of the keys have smooth surfaces now.

All the features don't have to be "Oh so amazing for performance" they do however give a nice edge to those using them. 

Switching out keyboards for controllers is complete fail, most third party controllers are trash, you can only cite one controller for one system that has one customizeable option, as apposed to thousands of keyboards with may reprogrammable keys, macro programming, and key placement changing. Controller skins are very uncomfortable and tend to actually worsen grip as they are usually silicone, which slides over your controller casing. The Turbo is NOT a legit mod as it is hacking. and most attachments for controllers do very little, if anything to gove people an advantage. 

Lastly, must I point out that your personal use of an old keyboard means nothing.



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ironman said:
IllegalPaladin said:
ironman said:
vlad321 said:
ironman said:

 

Oooh, how long did you google to find that bad boy? I did a quick 30 second google for each keyboard I posted just to give ytou an IDEA of what was out there. Two of the keyboards I showed you are "quet" to reduce fatigue, and have rubberized keys to give the player more control. So I'm sorry, but the other keyboards do give an edge to PC players, be it in key placement, Key feel, or programming. So it is quite clear you know very little about keyboards. Now, as far as the mice go, once again, a mouse that "sees" in a higher DPI will be more ACCURATE than one that "sees" in a lower DPI. that is a very important word. it means that the mice are more controlled and will "move" smoother across your screen. The fact that you don't know this, proves to me that you really don't have a clue what you are saying. 

I brought up the graphics to counter your argument, and once again, I was playing along with YOU to prove how absurd your argument was. Please reread my previous posts. I like how you used superior graphics to prove that PCs were better, and then, when called on it, did a 180 and said better graphics are a bad thing.

Nice features and all, but I'm not really seeing how that's going to be oh so amazing for performance. I'm not saying that they can't help, but not in a bad way in which you seem to be making it out to be. In fact, You could easily change out keyboard for controller here.

There's a third party PS3 controller that looks like an Xbox 360 controller and you can also switch the d-pad and left analog stick positions. There's the real triggers for the PS3 controller to make using R2 and L2 more comfortable for people. I believe the new Modern Warfare 2 branded controllers have a button on the back dedicated for melee. Controllers have skins for improved grip. Oh and lets not forget the one that's been there for a very long time, turbo.

Again, I'm using a keyboard from 2003 and can play games well despite the fact that a majority of the keys have smooth surfaces now.

All the features don't have to be "Oh so amazing for performance" they do however give a nice edge to those using them. 

Switching out keyboards for controllers is complete fail, most third party controllers are trash, you can only cite one controller for one system that has one customizeable option, as apposed to thousands of keyboards with may reprogrammable keys, macro programming, and key placement changing. Controller skins are very uncomfortable and tend to actually worsen grip as they are usually silicone, which slides over your controller casing. The Turbo is NOT a legit mod as it is hacking. and most attachments for controllers do very little, if anything to gove people an advantage. 

Lastly, must I point out that your personal use of an old keyboard means nothing.

It's still something similar in terms offering something on top of basic control. Another example just popped into my head, the FragFX.

My personal use of a keyboard means something, that whether you have a gaming keyboard or not it doesn't really matter. If you really want it (or want to be really extreme about your game playing) then go for it, but you can 'rape' with a standard one without a problem.

Now I'm not discounting the nice things they have, especially since you said that consoles have simplified controls and then post a keyboard with a dedicated game playing portion that simplifies your control layout, but I just feel that it's dumb to say that it's a bad thing for PC gaming.

 



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noname2200 said:
IllegalPaladin said:

 

Ah, ergonomic keyboards: so awesome.

High-five!

Yea!

Hotkeys on an ergonomic keyboard were awesome! :P

I even played Freesapce on it.