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trestres said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
trestres said:
@Avinash: That doesnt prove anything at all.

http://vgchartz.com/weekly.php?date=39355&console=&maker=&boxartz=1#

360 had 11.7 million consoles out the week of September 29th 2007, it sold 4.5 million units of SW that week, over 1.5 million more than what the Wii sold on April 12th 2008, and yet having less than half the install base.


  I think you misread Trestres, Wii had 12.1 million install base, 360 had 11.7 million install base, so their install bases were rather equal and yeah 360 sold more software and more hardware that week because of Halo 3, but like i've been pointint out, Halo 3 didn't generate momentum, its very frontloaded, so when its sales dropped off so did the 360's hardware and software sales

No I didn't misread anything. I was comparing the Halo launch week to the Mario Kart launch week you brought up. Wii's install base was double the 360 one comparing those 2 weeks, and yet the 360 outsold it in SW by more than 1.5 million units.

Ok, so the week of Halo launch beat out the Week of Mario Kart launch in terms of software, but it didn't last, like I pointed out, Halo only managed to sell that much for a week and then dropped off, Wii maintained its sales week after week, thanks to games like Kart, like I said before having a frontloaded game didn';t allow the 360 to gain momentum.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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Carl2291 said:
@ Avinash.

I dont need to reply, really. The other posts after mine have said practically exactly what i would say.

And I addressed those points as well



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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To everyrone replying to Avinash.

Look at his sig, and you will notice what type of member he is.

Its pointless trying to talk sense into him, just ignore his damage control.

Im sure he will be all happy again when his precious Wii is back on top weekly.



                            

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@Avinash: Wii maintained its sales because 2 weeks later Wii Fit was being released. You chose an abnormal period. As others have said, Wii has the lowest attach ratio, so I don't understand where you are trying to go with this.



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
WereKitten said:

Or instead of looking for examples on this week or that, you could have a look at the tie ratio and see that it's about the same of the PS3.

Slightly lower, actually, by an increasing amount - notwithstanding the fact that 0.8 out of 6.22 of the Wii's tie ratio is due to the bundling of Wii Sports.

And you should decide which point are you trying to push: that many Wii games are system sellers or that the Wii sells a lot of software? Because they're very different arguments, and the data you're pointing to proves neither.

Actually you're wrong on multiple points first off saying that the Wii's software is boosted by Wii sports forgets that people buy the Wii for Wii sports so in fact it supports my point that its software that sells the system and builds momentum, its not that Wii sports is boosted by being bundles with the wii its that the Wii is boosted by Wii sports.  Also saying that Wii doesn't have a lot of system sellers or alot of software being sold is false because Wii is the only console to have 20 million plus selling games this gen, even 360 has only one game over 10 million, Wii has 4 games over 10 million, 3 over 20 million, even PS2 didn't have a game over 20 million, and Wii is outpacing the PS2 in sales at the moment and will likely have a few more 10 to 20 plus million sellers before the gen is over before the gen is over, and as I have shown, even on weeks where Wii has had less consoles than the PS3 out it has sold more software, the reason for Wii having a smaller tie ratio is the weeks where Wii has sold a lot of consoles like during the holidays, where it routinely sells around a million plus, when its tie ratio drops off even though it still moves a ton of software, just not as much proportionately.

Please quote where I said that the Wii has no system sellers. Because I said that you're mixing up different issues and that pointing at this or that isolated week of software sales doesn't corroborate any of your points.

As for the tie ratio, I fail to see why a hardware sale that happens during the holidays should bring less software sales in -say- six months than one happening in march.



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Carl2291 said:
To everyrone replying to Avinash.

Look at his sig, and you will notice what type of member he is.

Its pointless trying to talk sense into him, just ignore his damage control.

Im sure he will be all happy again when his precious Wii is back on top weekly.

In order to talk sense you need to have sensible arguments, I'm still waiting for yours, see my point has remained that software is required to maintain momentum and the fact that PS3 lacks the software is the reason why this sales spike wont last, its not that I'll be happy when the Wii is back on top weekly, its that Wii will be back on top weekly because of its software strength compared with the PS3, as I've shown regardless of how you want to spin it, the Wii has the software strength that Sony and MS don't.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

@carl

yeah I agree

@avinash

do you STILL think wii will surpass combined sales of PS family.....LOL

@trestres

you make some great points



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WereKitten said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
WereKitten said:

Or instead of looking for examples on this week or that, you could have a look at the tie ratio and see that it's about the same of the PS3.

Slightly lower, actually, by an increasing amount - notwithstanding the fact that 0.8 out of 6.22 of the Wii's tie ratio is due to the bundling of Wii Sports.

And you should decide which point are you trying to push: that many Wii games are system sellers or that the Wii sells a lot of software? Because they're very different arguments, and the data you're pointing to proves neither.

Actually you're wrong on multiple points first off saying that the Wii's software is boosted by Wii sports forgets that people buy the Wii for Wii sports so in fact it supports my point that its software that sells the system and builds momentum, its not that Wii sports is boosted by being bundles with the wii its that the Wii is boosted by Wii sports.  Also saying that Wii doesn't have a lot of system sellers or alot of software being sold is false because Wii is the only console to have 20 million plus selling games this gen, even 360 has only one game over 10 million, Wii has 4 games over 10 million, 3 over 20 million, even PS2 didn't have a game over 20 million, and Wii is outpacing the PS2 in sales at the moment and will likely have a few more 10 to 20 plus million sellers before the gen is over before the gen is over, and as I have shown, even on weeks where Wii has had less consoles than the PS3 out it has sold more software, the reason for Wii having a smaller tie ratio is the weeks where Wii has sold a lot of consoles like during the holidays, where it routinely sells around a million plus, when its tie ratio drops off even though it still moves a ton of software, just not as much proportionately.

Please quote where I said that the Wii has no system sellers. Because I said that you're mixing up different issues and that pointing at this or that isolated week of software sales doesn't corroborate any of your points.

As for the tie ratio, I fail to see why a hardware sale that happens during the holidays should bring less software sales in -say- six months than one happening in march.

You may fail to see why, but it does happen, software tie ratio for the Wii in holiday weeks drops well below its 6.2+ overall tie ratio

Actually I'm only pointing to individual weeks because it would take waaayyy too long to show all the weeks that Wii outsold the PS3 and or the 360 in software, its nearly every week it does that, with a few exceptions here and there, like the Halo 3 week, where Wii outsells its competitors in terms of software, regardless of install base, the individual weeks are samples, because its easier not to have to paste dozens of links.  And I'm not mixing up different issues, my point has been that software is what keeps sales momentum and that Wii has the software momentum relative to its competitors, even if it has dropped a off a bit since last year.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)