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Rath said:
Kasz216 said:
Rath said:

No because why on earth would I trust a scientist who wanted to kill somebody to watch him die?

But yes to the situation in a purely hypothetical sense.

 

Edit: Electrical signals in the brain at that point would also need to be saved, as well as the positions of more than just the electrons (ie, protons and neutrons as well).

So if someone gives you permament amneisa it's of your opinion they've killed you?

 

What? You seem to be crossing borders of consciousness and memory here.

Not at all.  Afterall that is how consiousness is made is it not?

Put it this way.  You get amenisa by a ray they messes with the chemicals in your brain... and now you remember nothing.

Or heck, you have a spike driven through your head sufficent enough to change the way your brain works and your personality works.

 



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But I mean... forget all that.

Lets go back to computers.

Say I develop an artificial intelligence on my computer with basic consciousness.

I copy it and put it on your computer. Is it the same consciousness that was on my computer?

Of course not. It is a copy on your computer.

The original is still on my computer. If i were to delete or cut instead of copy... I would be destroying that AI.

If I were to copy the AI and it was programmed to have a certain set of circumstances in a virutal world... identical to the ones happening in mine...

Does that make both consciousnesses the same being in your mind?

If someone were able to create a "Virtual Rath" made purely out of a virtual computer program... that was an exact copy of you in a virtual world... would that be you?  Would you allow someone to kill you if they could upload the data of everything you were into a computer that would let you lvie forever. (Or at least as long as the computer was running.)



Ok I completely disagree with the memory thing but as you said its a bit irrelevant to this conversation.

Also if you copy and paste exactly in my opinion it is the same consciousness on your computer. There is nothing to distinguish one as an original - they are the same consciousness but they will diverge from the point of copying onwards.

Also I do believe that if it was possible to upload my consciousness into a computer then yes, when I was about to die I would allow somebody to load me onto the computer.



If you slowly replaced each part of your brain with parts of a robotic brain until your brain was 100% artificial, then hooked up the brain to a electronic body or PC, would it still be your conciousness?



WessleWoggle said:
If you slowly replaced each part of your brain with parts of a robotic brain until your brain was 100% artificial, then hooked up the brain to a electronic body or PC, would it still be your conciousness?

Haha, damn. Interesting thought...

I'm no expert on this, I just assume brain destroyed = conciousness destroyed. If you slowly took that thing apart, though... who knows.



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WessleWoggle said:
If you slowly replaced each part of your brain with parts of a robotic brain until your brain was 100% artificial, then hooked up the brain to a electronic body or PC, would it still be your conciousness?

No.  The minute your brain when 100% artificial your gone.



Rath said:
Ok I completely disagree with the memory thing but as you said its a bit irrelevant to this conversation.

Also if you copy and paste exactly in my opinion it is the same consciousness on your computer. There is nothing to distinguish one as an original - they are the same consciousness but they will diverge from the point of copying onwards.

Also I do believe that if it was possible to upload my consciousness into a computer then yes, when I was about to die I would allow somebody to load me onto the computer.

What if you weren't about to die.

What if it only worked around the age of 35 and then after that mild changes in biochemistry makes it impossible.



Here however is the easiest way to sum up where Vagabond and I disagree with you though. Vagabond and I would see the two as separate but identical. This can be shown by the fact that "you" aren't waking up there. It's another you.


Say you take this computer consciousness I have...

This consciousness is in my own "Truman world".

Now then... I copy the entire program so the "Truman world" is in fact still intact.

Here now we have two identical consciousnesses... in two identical worlds... acting the same way.

They aren't the same exact being... though there is no divergence in experience... yet they are two clearly separate entities.

They are not the same person. If I were to kill mine. While yours remained alive... I would still be killing mine. A separate consciousness.

Just because there was an exact duplicate it does not mean i haven't ended Chester's life. (My program would be named Chester.)

Those two chester's though identical are infact two different beings.  They don't share a consiousness.  Each is there own, as can be shown by the fact that there actually could be a divergence in expierence if one wished to be so.



Kasz216 said:
WessleWoggle said:
If you slowly replaced each part of your brain with parts of a robotic brain until your brain was 100% artificial, then hooked up the brain to a electronic body or PC, would it still be your conciousness?

No.  The minute your brain when 100% artificial your gone.

Explain...

 



WessleWoggle said:
Kasz216 said:
WessleWoggle said:
If you slowly replaced each part of your brain with parts of a robotic brain until your brain was 100% artificial, then hooked up the brain to a electronic body or PC, would it still be your conciousness?

No.  The minute your brain when 100% artificial your gone.

Explain...

 

It's like a computer.  You can keep upgrading your old comptuer... however the minute you got rid of the last part of your computer, your computer is no longer that old one you used to work on.

 

The brain is like a computer... if the ram blows out you can replace it... etc etc....

but once you got to a point of where you've replaced every part of your brain... it's not your old brain and aren't thereanymore, but a new ones.

I could probably actually point to a specific part of the brain that once gone would kill you rather then just basically 100%... but honsetly anatomical psychology was what held back my GPA in college.

So hard to memorize all the little parts of a brain... espeically in a shortened summer session.

 

Edit: Insular Cortex!  Once you lost your Insular Cortex you would no longer be you.  The insular cortex is what creates your consiousness.