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coolestguyever on 03 September 2009

yeah your probably right. Not that it changes the fact the wii has a huge lead, it seems wii is always overtracked and PS3 undertracked.



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twesterm on 03 September 2009
Grimes said:
Aj_habfan said:
Grimes said:
outlawauron said:
Grimes said:
Yes, having 500k units on store shelves, warehouses and in shipments is a reasonable number.

See, this doesn't include Sony's warehouses. Whether or not the store is keeping them in warehouses is an entirely different matter.

Shipments are defined as recorded sales as defined by Sony. So it can indeed include units in Sony's inventory.

No, it can't. Sony defines it as sold to retailers. Sony can't lie to investers on their financial fiscal reports.

I'm taking the words straight out of Sony's supplemental:

Beginning with Q1 FY07, the method of reporting hardware and software unit sales changed from production shipments to recorded sales

 

Actually, that still means sold to retailers, not sold to consumers.  Sony cannot track how many PS3's different retailers sold unless that retailer specifically tells them or they get it from some 3rd party like NPD.



 

Grimes on 03 September 2009
twesterm said:
Grimes said:

I'm taking the words straight out of Sony's supplemental:

Beginning with Q1 FY07, the method of reporting hardware and software unit sales changed from production shipments to recorded sales

 

Actually, that still means sold to retailers, not sold to consumers.

I'm not claiming otherwise. However those sold units could be anywhere, including Sony's warehouses or shipping containers.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

yo_john117 on 03 September 2009

The reasonable explanation is that you really have no clue how the tracking works, and just wish the PS3 had a few more sales.  Get over it.  

There's a 95% chance that your reasoning is wrong, and a 5% chance that they have it way undertracked...



Aj_habfan on 03 September 2009
Grimes said:
twesterm said:
Grimes said:

I'm taking the words straight out of Sony's supplemental:

Beginning with Q1 FY07, the method of reporting hardware and software unit sales changed from production shipments to recorded sales

 

Actually, that still means sold to retailers, not sold to consumers.

I'm not claiming otherwise. However those sold units could be anywhere, including Sony's warehouses or shipping containers.

I think you misinterpreted it. They USED to report their stock from warehouses as sold, now it's just the amount actually sold to retailers.



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numonex on 03 September 2009

I do not think anyone really knows the actual sales numbers of the hardware and software. All we have here are best guess sales estimates based on extrapolations using a small percentage of available retail sources. Sales trackers provide sales estimates based on the available information they have. More information the more accurate the sales numbers.

The retail sales numbers will always be lower than the shipped numbers. The big 3 companies count the shipped numbers as sold.



Grimes on 03 September 2009
Aj_habfan said:
Grimes said:
twesterm said:
Grimes said:

I'm taking the words straight out of Sony's supplemental:

Beginning with Q1 FY07, the method of reporting hardware and software unit sales changed from production shipments to recorded sales

 

Actually, that still means sold to retailers, not sold to consumers.

I'm not claiming otherwise. However those sold units could be anywhere, including Sony's warehouses or shipping containers.

I think you misinterpreted it. They USED to report their stock from warehouses as sold, now it's just the amount actually sold to retailers.

No, I'm not. I didn't say that all units in their warehouses are sold. But some of them could be as long as they were recorded as a sale. A sold unit could be anywhere, the store shelf, retailer warehouse, shipping container, Sony warehouse, anywhere along the supply chain.



Anyone can guess. It takes no effort to throw out lots of predictions and have some of them be correct. You are not and wiser or better for having your guesses be right. Even a blind man can hit the bullseye.

twesterm on 03 September 2009
Grimes said:
Aj_habfan said:
Grimes said:
twesterm said:
Grimes said:

I'm taking the words straight out of Sony's supplemental:

Beginning with Q1 FY07, the method of reporting hardware and software unit sales changed from production shipments to recorded sales

 

Actually, that still means sold to retailers, not sold to consumers.

I'm not claiming otherwise. However those sold units could be anywhere, including Sony's warehouses or shipping containers.

I think you misinterpreted it. They USED to report their stock from warehouses as sold, now it's just the amount actually sold to retailers.

No, I'm not. I didn't say that all units in their warehouses are sold. But some of them could be as long as they were recorded as a sale. A sold unit could be anywhere, the store shelf, retailer warehouse, shipping container, Sony warehouse, anywhere along the supply chain.

I don't know why Grimes is making this so confusing but I'm pretty sure we're all saying the same thing: when they say they count sold not shipped, that means sold to retailers and those retailers can have them sitting in a warehouse or shelves.



 

the2bears on 03 September 2009

You care too much.



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Aj_habfan on 03 September 2009
Grimes said:
Aj_habfan said:
Grimes said:
twesterm said:
Grimes said:

I'm taking the words straight out of Sony's supplemental:

Beginning with Q1 FY07, the method of reporting hardware and software unit sales changed from production shipments to recorded sales

 

Actually, that still means sold to retailers, not sold to consumers.

I'm not claiming otherwise. However those sold units could be anywhere, including Sony's warehouses or shipping containers.

I think you misinterpreted it. They USED to report their stock from warehouses as sold, now it's just the amount actually sold to retailers.

No, I'm not. I didn't say that all units in their warehouses are sold. But some of them could be as long as they were recorded as a sale. A sold unit could be anywhere, the store shelf, retailer warehouse, shipping container, Sony warehouse, anywhere along the supply chain.

Well, yea, it's not like they meet up in the parking lot of the store and swap items. The process can take a while, but won't have a large effect on the overall number.