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Gnizmo said:
Its not the same, but it gives the same result. I am too tired to go into the specifics, so on some of this I ask you to take me at my word. Failing that you should be able to find some mathematical proofs that back me up with a bit of googling. Sorry for the laziness, but I am running dead tired lately.

What you are looking for with sample is to get, essentially, a small scale version of the larger population. For example, if the population is 10% musicisans then you would want 10 people to be musicians in a sample of 100. This does not always work out as probability does not work over the short term. You can flip a coin 10 times and easily have it land on the same side each time. This poses a large potential problem that kind of corrects itself.

As it turns out over a large number you start seeing the laws of probability kick in. Flip a coin a hundred times and it will be very close to 50%. On a small scale it is easy for a few improbably picks to skew the results dramatically. A sample size of hundred is thrown off 1% for every odd answer. Increase it to just 500 though and it is down to 0.2%. As a result you get a slower growth for sample size needed to iron out a possible random selection bias. You just are not that likely to get 1 of the 6,000 people with one eye in a population of 20 million with two eyes. You do want to increase the size to account for the increase in general population, but not even close to a perfect correlation.

Hopefully this isn't too confused. I am sleep deprived, in pain, and hopped up on codine so it takes a lot of effort to think clearly. I am certain Demotruk will clarify anything I leave vague.

But we don't know that this sample is accurate like you described. For all we know, half of the Wii's could have been used less than an hour a day, and only 10% of PS3s and 5% of 360s. And there are several factors in the equation- usage time, storage conditions, country, care when handling, etc. We don't know that this sample is any good. I mean, the title could at least state that this was a survey of 16,000 people.

I also highly doubt more 360s succumb to disc read errors than RROD...



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Demotruk said:
Seinfeld said:

Okay, the Wii wins in reliability. Clearly that's what you want to hear. But its also OLD TECHNOLOGY. There shouldn't be many surprises.

If it was old technology, it wouldn't be so small. Your problem is that you are only measuring a 'newer technology' by increases in power when it can be looked at from a different value perspective.

 

The Wii isn't the issue though. The Wii is fairly normal, it's no more reliable than the other devices I own (including my gaming PC...). It's the other two that are unreliable.

its old technology

the difference its only 90nm instead of 180nm of the gamecube.

higher clocked cpu.

tech of the wii its macbook tech from powerpc G3.

and accelerometers  used in cellphones from years now.

using it as a controller its the new things, but rather using exisiting technogy to get a different output.

 



Kantor said:

But we don't know that this sample is accurate like you described. For all we know, half of the Wii's could have been used less than an hour a day, and only 10% of PS3s and 5% of 360s. And there are several factors in the equation- usage time, storage conditions, country, care when handling, etc. We don't know that this sample is any good. I mean, the title could at least state that this was a survey of 16,000 people.

I also highly doubt more 360s succumb to disc read errors than RROD...

It is highly likely that such a massive sample is statistically representative, of consoles in North America at least.

 

And unless there is some large consumer bias, which there also isn't likely to be for brick and mortar retailers, the Neilson statistics work fine for factoring in usage.



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Xoj said:

its old technology

the difference its only 90nm instead of 180nm of the gamecube.

higher clocked cpu.

tech of the wii its macbook tech from powerpc G3.

and accelerometers  used in cellphones from years now.

using it as a controller its the new things, but rather using exisiting technogy to get a different output.

 


You pointed out how it's newer technology in your post. Last gen it couldn't have been so small or have had that cpu and gpu speed at such a size while also being affordable. That is new, and it's just looking at it from a perspective other than an increase in processing power.



A game I'm developing with some friends:

www.xnagg.com/zombieasteroids/publish.htm

It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.

Kantor said:

But we don't know that this sample is accurate like you described. For all we know, half of the Wii's could have been used less than an hour a day, and only 10% of PS3s and 5% of 360s. And there are several factors in the equation- usage time, storage conditions, country, care when handling, etc. We don't know that this sample is any good. I mean, the title could at least state that this was a survey of 16,000 people.

I also highly doubt more 360s succumb to disc read errors than RROD...

On paper, yes those are concerns. In reality it doesn't really work out that well. The probability of getting a terrible data set like you described is virtually non-existant if the data is an accurate sample. I wish I could show you the proof of it, but thats how it comes out in the end. If you want to try and run the numbers yourself you can try to think of it as a bag of marbles. Take 100 million marbles, and divide them up into whatever broad categories you want. Then calculate how likely you are to get enough of a certain type of marble to severly influence the average population. It gets to be an absurd improbability at an extremely rapid pace.

A short hand example that won't help much. Lets say you have 3 green marble, and 97 blue ones. If you picked 10 marbles at random, how likely are you to get a large number of green marbles? You could get all 3 in theory. Assuming no replacement the propbablity would be 1/(100*99*98) or 1/970,200. To get just 2 marbles in would be 1/9900 which is significantly more likely, but still extremely improbable. Hopefully this gives you some idea of how it scales. You can be off by a little bit, but to be way off becomes almost impossible.



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Demotruk said:
Xoj said:

its old technology

the difference its only 90nm instead of 180nm of the gamecube.

higher clocked cpu.

tech of the wii its macbook tech from powerpc G3.

and accelerometers  used in cellphones from years now.

using it as a controller its the new things, but rather using exisiting technogy to get a different output.

 


You pointed out how it's newer technology in your post. Last gen it couldn't have been so small or have had that cpu and gpu speed at such a size while also being affordable. That is new, and it's just looking at it from a perspective other than an increase in processing power.

so what about cell 45nm now and old 90nm?

still the same ps3, but there is not a gen change, or power difference.

so the slim it's next gen?.

its new technology used to built its  old 2005 cell but smaller.



Who said anything about generations...? You seem to be the first to use the word.

Of course the slim is newer technology than the phat, if that's what you mean.



A game I'm developing with some friends:

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It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.

@ Demotruk

If you weren't a Wii fanboy you wouldn't be arguing semantics. The moral of the story the Wii's capabilities are primitive and far cheaper to manufacture. Other than size there's nothing cutting edge about it.



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It's harder to break when you stay in the closet hahahahaha I didn't say it, Sony and Microsoft did


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