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megaxl said:
Kasz216 said:

I've wanted the American and Candian currencies combined for a while.

Wonder how they would do it for mexico though considering the exchange rate.  Maybe are money would be like the Yen.  I kinda like the thought of bills with unnessairly high numbers on them.

Could do without adding Mexico in it because of their obvious poverty but hey, it could help out mexico a lot anyway... maybe America would finally get a universal healthcare system out of it... and Canada would get...

Cheaper videogame systems? Well that and probably products in general because they couldn't screw canadians by basing it on currency rates locked in back when the dollar was up on it a lot.

Probably a Lose, Lose, Win. But hey, why not. As for the, rape rates etc rising from immagrants. That's the same everywhere... whenever a large mass of poor people move to a surrounding city.

See what the New Orleans Katrina survivors did to the areas they were put up in.


lolol yes we are poors, i live in a jungle and eat insects lol, c´mon, many people think that Mexico is poor because the inmigrants but this false (we are the14 economic in the world of 181 countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29 ), here in Mexico we live fine and dont need to go to USA to survive, the mexicans only go to USA to win more money, all countries have rich and poors, the thing is that in Mexico have more people than Canada for example and is obvious that we have more poors than canada.

 


Not all areas obviously.   I mean you guys do have the worlds 2nd richest man.  However the gap between the rich and poor is even worse then the US last time I checked, though it has been a few years since i've taken a sociology course.  I hate that telecommunications monopolizing jerk.  However that's just because I have a soft spot for Warren Buffet. 

Well that and i believe he owns Comp USA.  That seems a bit dishonest.

Seems to be the case, with the minmium wage being lower and the fact that the US does get so many immagrants.  Otherwise they would just crowd around mexico's biggest cities as opposed to trying to cross the border.  Afterall the US has plenty of homeless people as well.  They rarely try to go to another country.  Canada has their share of homeless people, i've seen them too... they also mostly stay in their country from what I can tell. 



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Kasz216 said:
megaxl said:
Kasz216 said:

I've wanted the American and Candian currencies combined for a while.

Wonder how they would do it for mexico though considering the exchange rate. Maybe are money would be like the Yen. I kinda like the thought of bills with unnessairly high numbers on them.

Could do without adding Mexico in it because of their obvious poverty but hey, it could help out mexico a lot anyway... maybe America would finally get a universal healthcare system out of it... and Canada would get...

Cheaper videogame systems? Well that and probably products in general because they couldn't screw canadians by basing it on currency rates locked in back when the dollar was up on it a lot.

Probably a Lose, Lose, Win. But hey, why not. As for the, rape rates etc rising from immagrants. That's the same everywhere... whenever a large mass of poor people move to a surrounding city.

See what the New Orleans Katrina survivors did to the areas they were put up in.


lolol yes we are poors, i live in a jungle and eat insects lol, c´mon, many people think that Mexico is poor because the inmigrants but this false (we are the14 economic in the world of 181 countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28nominal%29 ), here in Mexico we live fine and dont need to go to USA to survive, the mexicans only go to USA to win more money, all countries have rich and poors, the thing is that in Mexico have more people than Canada for example and is obvious that we have more poors than canada.

 


Not all areas obviously. I mean you guys do have the worlds 2nd richest man. However the gap between the rich and poor is even worse then the US last time I checked, though it has been a few years since i've taken a sociology course. I hate that telecommunications monopolizing jerk. However that's just because I have a soft spot for Warren Buffet.

Well that and i believe he owns Comp USA. That seems a bit dishonest.

Seems to be the case, with the minmium wage being lower and the fact that the US does get so many immagrants. Otherwise they would just crowd around mexico's biggest cities as opposed to trying to cross the border. Afterall the US has plenty of homeless people as well. They rarely try to go to another country. Canada has their share of homeless people, i've seen them too... they also mostly stay in their country from what I can tell.


 Kasz is right, the country is not in his best shape... (We are not populated only by the poors, but there is a lot of them)...



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As for your points. No, I don't think that the U.S. is becoming simillar to the Nazi's Germany. I believe that the current government has committed a wrath of crimes both domestically and internationally and I believe that the U.S. democratic system and government structure is inherently corrupt. But that's a far cry from playing the Hitler card.

Part of the problem with claiming that the U.S. is turning so evil is the fact that it's history is by no means better. The more apt analogy than germany would be the U.S. during the cold war. Domestically, their Communist witch hunt was worse than what's now. And internationally they treated the world as their playground. South America in particular was horrendously manipulated. And the Iraq war is most oft compared to... Vietnam!

Oh yeah. Things were even worse with communism. But it seems the government is now trying to recreate the conditions during the Cold War, so they can keep taking freedom and power from the American people, and this time make sure the looming threat they're inventing is never defeated.


maybe America would finally get a universal healthcare system out of it... and Canada would get...

Cheaper videogame systems? Well that and probably products in general because they couldn't screw canadians by basing it on currency rates locked in back when the dollar was up on it a lot.

How is Canada going to pay LESS for things if they have to pay taxes to cover universal US healthcare?

No. A giant multi-nation over-government will require taxes to operate, and so drive prices up and detract from the wealth of the people. Check out those VG console prices in Europe.

 

I never said they were my ideas, but I'm glad you know other sheep like yourself. ;)

You're a jackass.
 


Most of the global warming stuff is just a scam.  Not that global warming is a scam... but the solutions to fix it actually arn't solutions but ways for people to benefit out of fear.

Exactly. Every political party and system finds it's own way to fearmonger.

 

Of course if you don't believe that it's another reason for the "American Union" to take place.  Canada could act as the US' "concsience".

Hahaha.


 
Also. I'd actually be for getting rid of things like the department of education... and say, the department of homeland security... since they seem to do nothing. I mean Montana gets the same amount of protection money from terrorists as New York. Why not just make that department one guy with a check book?

Anyway, while i'd like to get rid of 80% of the government stuff, I know it isn't going to happen... and it's better to go one way or another then be stuck in the middle like the US is.

Oh yeah. All those federal departments are gigantic wastes and failures. They take money from us, taking power from the states and from the free market, pretty obviously create more problems than they fix, blame "unethical lenders," "foreign oil producers," "poor airport security," "bad teachers," etc., for those problems, and then want more money and authority which they will ultimately use to break the system further. Practically every domestic worry we have traces to this pattern of American socialism. The government fails at every social program it tries, and people want them to control our medical system! WTF???


Oops, missed one...

Also, since we're getting poltical.  I was against invading Iraq.  When the news broke I actually said "Iraq?  If anything we should invade Iran." because just about everyone knew they were the ones who were actually going to get weapons of mass destruction, and that those weapons would be the really bad kind that can irradicate the countryside.  Also they already have a number of people who don't like how their goverment runs and protests despite all the trouble and possible death it can give you.
Still, now that your in Iraq you can't just leave.  A Majority of Iraq's hate the idea we're in Iraq, but they hate one thing worse, the idea of us leaving.

It's our mess.  We made it, and it'd be a little shady of us as a country if we just said "Whoops your problem now!" and just let them sort it out. That's how Afghanistan ended up how it is afterall... and we saw how well that worked out for the US

It's our mess. Agreed. Next question: do we have the ability to clean up the mess with a military presence? The answer is pretty obviously "no."

We should pull out of Europe, out of Korea, out of Afghanistan, out of Iraq, and stop threatening Iran. We should stop sending aid to Israel, Saudi Arabia, and whoever else.

No, we shouldn't have invaded Iran instead of Iraq. We should have ruthlessly gone after Al Qaeda. And then we should have brought everyone home. From everywhere. We can't keep troops overseas for years and decades on end, trying to tell foreigners what kind of governments to form; trying to "win the peace" with guns and tanks and soldiers in night-vision goggles. We should kill the motherf***ers who are direct and imminent threats to us, and that should be the end of our overseas military presence. If we did that, there wouldn't have been a 9/11 in the first place.



"[Our former customers] are unable to find software which they WANT to play."
"The way to solve this problem lies in how to communicate what kind of games [they CAN play]."

Satoru Iwata, Nintendo President. Only slightly paraphrased.

ok so i watched the video, governments are corrupt.. power corrupts. do you have a plan to live without being indebt to the the people in power?

one world government? whats wrong with that?

what are the end goals of these select few in power? to what end is their struggle for money?



Actually we probably should of ignored Al Queda or atleast not treat them as special. I mean in reality I'm pretty sure Osama Bin Laden doesn't have that much against the US and just attacked us because Al Queda was a floundering orginzation that was never going to accomplish his goals so he had to attack America to bolster up recruits.

Well either that or just have killed him like you suggested. Either one would of helped, but the going after them ruthlessly option I think would lead other like minded looneys to attempt the same and risk getting captured by the US to get a huge bolster in support, since we would have to often go against what other governments want to take out Al Queda by sending our forces in.

I think if we take troops out of Iraq even more people are going to die right now.

Iran I think should of been invaded mostly because it always seemed that they pretty much funded terrorists to bother us and soon are getting nuclear weapons. Which is a pain of a solution. Overall it seemed like the local forces were going to enact a change in government on it's own but it seems like they may get the bomb first, and if they do... before a revolution. Well our time in Iraq has shown us what happens when you overthrow a government and all you care about is overthrowing the government... not to mention any sort of "Hey we're screwed anyway" type moves they might want to make.

You can't solve the problem by keeping troops in. But you can stall. Hopefully the next president actually trys to think of a way to fix stuff instead of running out the clock.

Honestly though, I think 9/11 happened just because America is the "big dog" in the room. Not because of any of our foriegn policys. Just because their used to be 2 superpowers, US and Russia... and now there is only the US and people always hate the country thats "ahead" in the world view. (Not that we really are that much when you compare a lot of things like education with some countries, but thats a common perception.)

I mean, when England had it's empire everyone really hated England. Look at all the support America got in the American Revolution even though the whole reaons for the revolution really weren't that big of a deal.

The Canada as America's confrence thing was obviously just a joke for people who like to think the US is the only country that does things to manipulate other countres.

Really the World Trade Orginzation is proof of that though. You can say that's the cause of an overextended psuedo-govermental body just making the problem worse... and you wouldn't be wrong, but i think they do it on purpose.



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I know exactly what you're talking about with the Income Tax laws. The income tax that the Feds collect each year is illegal.

I'm not to sure about this North American union you're talking about, though. I've heard about it, but was unaware that Bush was behind, and I doubt that he really is.

And technically, the USA is an American union. We are a collection of united states located in the American continents.



OriGin said:
I think you need to watch the movie dude...



This movie has really hit home for me.

I want to do something about it, and honestly we can... I think something that they haven't counted on and something the media can't control is the Internet and it is what will break the regime...

I can't accept the direction the world is taking.

The USA isn't even a shadow of the ideas in which it was originally created upon. The constitution is basically nullified now.

The media is screwed, the power is with the Internet the only way this can be stopped is via the internet and the Internet has over-riding power.
Sarcasm? I hope?

 



Honestly though, I think 9/11 happened just because America is the "big dog" in the room. Not because of any of our foriegn policys.

Kasz... In physics they say "each action has an equal and opposite reaction." Buddhists call it karma, Christians call it sowing and reaping. It's the implication of the Golden rule that what you do to others WILL be done back to you. And the CIA calls it blowback. The unintended consequences of our aggressive foreign policy is aggression back towards us. 9/11 (and Iran's nuke program, etc) was not because we're the "big dog," but because we keep biting all the other dogs.



"[Our former customers] are unable to find software which they WANT to play."
"The way to solve this problem lies in how to communicate what kind of games [they CAN play]."

Satoru Iwata, Nintendo President. Only slightly paraphrased.

Erik Aston said:
Honestly though, I think 9/11 happened just because America is the "big dog" in the room. Not because of any of our foriegn policys.

Kasz... In physics they say "each action has an equal and opposite reaction." Buddhists call it karma, Christians call it sowing and reaping. It's the implication of the Golden rule that what you do to others WILL be done back to you. And the CIA calls it blowback. The unintended consequences of our aggressive foreign policy is aggression back towards us. 9/11 (and Iran's nuke program, etc) was not because we're the "big dog," but because we keep biting all the other dogs.

 Isn't Iran's nuke program aimed primarily at Israel?