| dtewi said: Here's one. |
I'd do it twice for only ten years.
| Kantor said: Even stranger is the one from The Dark Knight, with the two ships. I would press the button as soon as I got it (assuming, of course, Batman wasn't there to magically save the day). The Joker would kill everyone on both ships anyway, and by pressing the button, you are not only saving your own life, but hundreds of other lives, some of which would be the lives of your friends and family. And the prisoners' fate is no worse than what it would be if the Joker was the one to press the button. |
In real life both ships would press the button right away and they would both explode.
Kantor said:
I would also feel terrible in the situation you described, but I would feel considerably worse if I was dead. I'm not a killer, either. The thought of killing somebody makes me feel sick. But if it was to save my life, or the life of somebody I was very close to, I would definitely consider it. What if we changed it a little, and said you had to kill this person to save the life of your best friend? Though having said that, your argument about the person you kill having people care about him/her, surely there are people who care about you who would be equally devastated if you died? It's a bit like another conundrum I heard. A train is travelling on a track. Four people are tied to the track. If you do nothing, they will all die. You can pull a lever to make the train change tracks. One person is lying on this second track. If you do so, the one will die, but the four will survive. Would you pull the lever? I certainly would, it's three fewer deaths. But some people, apparently, think that pulling the lever is murder, and leaving the four to die isn't. What's your opinion on that? |
I think that's stupid. In reality it's murder both ways. If you don't pull it you're murdering four people through your inaction.
If you pull the level you're murdering one through your action.
What worse, one murder or four?
1. Current life
2. Genius during lifetime
3. Terrible in bed, good looking
4. Popular rock band
5. Walk away
6. No
7. The Christian because I'm christian too, and he's not dangerous, just annoying.
8. No
9. Yes, I'd rather have a good life and die at 70 then be miserable and live to 80
10. No
Why don't we change the tone a little? Assuming the existence of heaven and hell, would the following people go to heaven or hell?
1) A devout Christian, a Reverend, who obviously attends church every Sunday, went to Sunday school every Sunday as a child without objecting. He had read the Bible numerous times, and watches that weird Christian Channel on TV. However, he is also a mass murderer and has killed hundreds of people.
2) An Atheist who has never been to church in his life, dismisses the Bible as the rantings of a lunatic, doesn't give anything up for Lent or go carolling on Christmas, but he is also a doctor, and has saved thousands of lives.
3) A devout Muslim who has prayed five times a day, and is a doctor and has saved thousands of lives.
4) A Muslim terrorist, also very devout, who had been brainwashed by Al-Qaeda, and drove the plane into the World Trade Centre.
5) An average Christian who went to Church, had read through the Bible but didn't really listen to it, who hadn't killed or saved any lives, he was a banker, but was a caring father, a loving husband, and an obedient son.
6) Number 5, but he's an atheist.
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| Kantor said: Why don't we change the tone a little? Assuming the existence of heaven and hell, would the following people go to heaven or hell? 1) A devout Christian, a Reverend, who obviously attends church every Sunday, went to Sunday school every Sunday as a child without objecting. He had read the Bible numerous times, and watches that weird Christian Channel on TV. However, he is also a mass murderer and has killed hundreds of people. 2) An Atheist who has never been to church in his life, dismisses the Bible as the rantings of a lunatic, doesn't give anything up for Lent or go carolling on Christmas, but he is also a doctor, and has saved thousands of lives. 3) A devout Muslim who has prayed five times a day, and is a doctor and has saved thousands of lives. 4) A Muslim terrorist, also very devout, who had been brainwashed by Al-Qaeda, and drove the plane into the World Trade Centre. 5) An average Christian who went to Church, had read through the Bible but didn't really listen to it, who hadn't killed or saved any lives, he was a banker, but was a caring father, a loving husband, and an obedient son. 6) Number 5, but he's an atheist. |
Only God can really be the final say. According to the Christian Bible, so long as you accept him as your savior and repent of your sins you will be granted everlasting life after death. So assuming the Christians were saved, I don't know how God would look at their other sins, but so long as they repented and were genuinely sorry, I think they'd make it. All others would not unless the Muslim god is real.
nightsurge said:
Only God can really be the final say. According to the Christian Bible, so long as you accept him as your savior and repent of your sins you will be granted everlasting life after death. So assuming the Christians were saved, I don't know how God would look at their other sins, but so long as they repented and were genuinely sorry, I think they'd make it. All others would not unless the Muslim god is real. |
Isn't the god in the Qu'ran, like the same god as in the bible which is like, the same god that's in the Torah? Its just different prophets/messiah's and so on, right?
Scoobes said:
Isn't the god in the Qu'ran, like the same god as in the bible which is like, the same god that's in the Torah? Its just different prophets/messiah's and so on, right? |
Based on the same god, yes. Are they really the same? Well, read the Qu'ran and the Bible and decide for yourself if they're really the same.
@nightsurge; I don't think that God would punish you for not being Christian if you were a genuinely good person. A doctor who's saved thousands of lives? He probably stands a good chance of getting in. Ultimately though, it is up to God to decide who goes where, and we're not supposed to judge that. 
nightsurge said:
Only God can really be the final say. According to the Christian Bible, so long as you accept him as your savior and repent of your sins you will be granted everlasting life after death. So assuming the Christians were saved, I don't know how God would look at their other sins, but so long as they repented and were genuinely sorry, I think they'd make it. All others would not unless the Muslim god is real. |
I wouldn't want to be part of a religion where belief in God can make a murderer better than a doctor, so I hope you're wrong.
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| Kantor said: Why don't we change the tone a little? Assuming the existence of heaven and hell, would the following people go to heaven or hell? 1) A devout Christian, a Reverend, who obviously attends church every Sunday, went to Sunday school every Sunday as a child without objecting. He had read the Bible numerous times, and watches that weird Christian Channel on TV. However, he is also a mass murderer and has killed hundreds of people. 2) An Atheist who has never been to church in his life, dismisses the Bible as the rantings of a lunatic, doesn't give anything up for Lent or go carolling on Christmas, but he is also a doctor, and has saved thousands of lives. 3) A devout Muslim who has prayed five times a day, and is a doctor and has saved thousands of lives. 4) A Muslim terrorist, also very devout, who had been brainwashed by Al-Qaeda, and drove the plane into the World Trade Centre. 5) An average Christian who went to Church, had read through the Bible but didn't really listen to it, who hadn't killed or saved any lives, he was a banker, but was a caring father, a loving husband, and an obedient son. 6) Number 5, but he's an atheist. |
Well with an omniscient, omnipotent and truly benevolent god. Numbers 2, 3, 5 and 6. Essentially the good people.
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