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Masakari on 25 August 2009

Because there's a little something called history and evolution of the medium. It's ok to be used to and like a platform better, but when it degenerates into fanboyism that only your chosen platform can have all games and everything else is crap, that's where i draw the line. You can think it's condescending, but the fact is a lot of fans think only PlayStation should be "allowed" to have X or Y game, and thats silly.



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binary solo on 25 August 2009
sega4life said:

Um.... what? PsP-Go = $249.99 ? ? ? ?

it doesn't even have a touch screen and it's as much as an iPhone


Take a look at the admittedly incomplete list of proprietary devices or formats that Sony has introduced in the last fifteen years or so.

Mini-Disc (1991)--custom disc format, and used ATRAC audio compression, which is proprietary.
Sony Dynamic Digital Sound (1993)--a competitor to the Dolby Digital 5.1 standard.
Multi-Media Compact Disc (1994)--Sony's proprietary format for high-density optical storage, developed in conjunction with Phillips. Negotiations merged this format and Toshiba's Super Density disc format into what would become DVD.
Music Clip (1999)--Sony's first digital player, used ATRAC audio compression.
HiFD (1998)--a competitor to Iomega's Zip drive.
Memory Stick (1998)--proprietary memory device as a competitor to SD and Flash memory.Super Audio CD (1999)--an optical disc format with higher fidelity than the CD.                                                                                                                                                                          Hi-HD (2004)media storage format as a further development of the Mini Disc                                                                                                      PSP (2004)--Uses Universal Media Disc (UMD) media, a proprietary media format.

Where's Betamax video tapes on this list?

What this list demonstrates is that while Sony have generally been a good marketer of hardware (TVs, video/DVD players, stereos, car stereos, game consoles, etc) they've been lousy at getting widespread adoption of particular storage/output formats. Oddly enough this time round they've done a relatively poor job of selling their hardware, but they have established their new storage format (blu ray) over the competing format.

Though it must be said that while this gen may be considered by some as a failure on the part of the PS3 it can easily become the 5th best selling gaming console ever, while being the most expensive ever. Pretty dang good for being considered a failure.

You're a bit premature on the PSP-Go. You might turn out to be right, but you should at least wait until after launch before you announce its failure.



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binary solo on 25 August 2009
sega4life said:

Um.... what? PsP-Go = $249.99 ? ? ? ?

it doesn't even have a touch screen and it's as much as an iPhone


Take a look at the admittedly incomplete list of proprietary devices or formats that Sony has introduced in the last fifteen years or so.

Mini-Disc (1991)--custom disc format, and used ATRAC audio compression, which is proprietary.
Sony Dynamic Digital Sound (1993)--a competitor to the Dolby Digital 5.1 standard.
Multi-Media Compact Disc (1994)--Sony's proprietary format for high-density optical storage, developed in conjunction with Phillips. Negotiations merged this format and Toshiba's Super Density disc format into what would become DVD.
Music Clip (1999)--Sony's first digital player, used ATRAC audio compression.
HiFD (1998)--a competitor to Iomega's Zip drive.
Memory Stick (1998)--proprietary memory device as a competitor to SD and Flash memory.Super Audio CD (1999)--an optical disc format with higher fidelity than the CD.                                                                                                                                                                          Hi-HD (2004)media storage format as a further development of the Mini Disc                                                                                                      PSP (2004)--Uses Universal Media Disc (UMD) media, a proprietary media format.

Where's Betamax video tapes on this list?

What this list demonstrates is that while Sony have generally been a good marketer of hardware (TVs, video/DVD players, stereos, car stereos, game consoles, etc) they've been lousy at getting widespread adoption of particular storage/output formats. Oddly enough this time round they've done a relatively poor job of selling their hardware, but they have established their new storage format (blu ray) over the competing format.

Though it must be said that while this gen may be considered by some as a failure on the part of the PS3 it can easily become the 5th best selling gaming console ever, while being the most expensive ever. Pretty dang good for being considered a failure.

You're a bit premature on the PSP-Go. You might turn out to be right, but you should at least wait until after launch before you announce its failure.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

Jimi Hendrix

 

Lord Flashheart on 25 August 2009

I think the 3D0 was the most expensive ever and 5th best selling sounds good but the market exploded last gen so there are more potential and actual buyers of gaming consoles than there has ever been.
It wont stop them being 3rd while not bad this gen means they've lost their lead and stranglehold they had on gaming and is a failure for them by their standards.

Gaming wise like the Wii and 360 it has been a success.



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deskpro2k3 on 25 August 2009

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LordTheNightKnight on 25 August 2009
yo_john117 said:

Well really now.  Who honestly believed that sony was actually making money one the PS3 after that 100 dollar price cut.

I did, because there were some cost saving differences mentioned. Knowing they are still losing money just makes me shake my head.



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Bitmap Frogs on 25 August 2009
binary solo said:
sega4life said:
 

Um.... what? PsP-Go = $249.99 ? ? ? ?

it doesn't even have a touch screen and it's as much as an iPhone


Take a look at the admittedly incomplete list of proprietary devices or formats that Sony has introduced in the last fifteen years or so.

Mini-Disc (1991)--custom disc format, and used ATRAC audio compression, which is proprietary.
Sony Dynamic Digital Sound (1993)--a competitor to the Dolby Digital 5.1 standard.
Multi-Media Compact Disc (1994)--Sony's proprietary format for high-density optical storage, developed in conjunction with Phillips. Negotiations merged this format and Toshiba's Super Density disc format into what would become DVD.
Music Clip (1999)--Sony's first digital player, used ATRAC audio compression.
HiFD (1998)--a competitor to Iomega's Zip drive.
Memory Stick (1998)--proprietary memory device as a competitor to SD and Flash memory.Super Audio CD (1999)--an optical disc format with higher fidelity than the CD.                                                                                                                                                                          Hi-HD (2004)media storage format as a further development of the Mini Disc                                                                                                      PSP (2004)--Uses Universal Media Disc (UMD) media, a proprietary media format.

Where's Betamax video tapes on this list?

What this list demonstrates is that while Sony have generally been a good marketer of hardware (TVs, video/DVD players, stereos, car stereos, game consoles, etc) they've been lousy at getting widespread adoption of particular storage/output formats. Oddly enough this time round they've done a relatively poor job of selling their hardware, but they have established their new storage format (blu ray) over the competing format.

Though it must be said that while this gen may be considered by some as a failure on the part of the PS3 it can easily become the 5th best selling gaming console ever, while being the most expensive ever. Pretty dang good for being considered a failure.

You're a bit premature on the PSP-Go. You might turn out to be right, but you should at least wait until after launch before you announce its failure.

 

Their propietary-everything policy is part of the reason they are in the hole, even the president (that british fellow) went public about it.





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LordTheNightKnight on 25 August 2009
Bitmap Frogs said:
binary solo said:
sega4life said:
 

Um.... what? PsP-Go = $249.99 ? ? ? ?

it doesn't even have a touch screen and it's as much as an iPhone


Take a look at the admittedly incomplete list of proprietary devices or formats that Sony has introduced in the last fifteen years or so.

Mini-Disc (1991)--custom disc format, and used ATRAC audio compression, which is proprietary.
Sony Dynamic Digital Sound (1993)--a competitor to the Dolby Digital 5.1 standard.
Multi-Media Compact Disc (1994)--Sony's proprietary format for high-density optical storage, developed in conjunction with Phillips. Negotiations merged this format and Toshiba's Super Density disc format into what would become DVD.
Music Clip (1999)--Sony's first digital player, used ATRAC audio compression.
HiFD (1998)--a competitor to Iomega's Zip drive.
Memory Stick (1998)--proprietary memory device as a competitor to SD and Flash memory.Super Audio CD (1999)--an optical disc format with higher fidelity than the CD.                                                                                                                                                                          Hi-HD (2004)media storage format as a further development of the Mini Disc                                                                                                      PSP (2004)--Uses Universal Media Disc (UMD) media, a proprietary media format.

Where's Betamax video tapes on this list?

What this list demonstrates is that while Sony have generally been a good marketer of hardware (TVs, video/DVD players, stereos, car stereos, game consoles, etc) they've been lousy at getting widespread adoption of particular storage/output formats. Oddly enough this time round they've done a relatively poor job of selling their hardware, but they have established their new storage format (blu ray) over the competing format.

Though it must be said that while this gen may be considered by some as a failure on the part of the PS3 it can easily become the 5th best selling gaming console ever, while being the most expensive ever. Pretty dang good for being considered a failure.

You're a bit premature on the PSP-Go. You might turn out to be right, but you should at least wait until after launch before you announce its failure.

 

Their propietary-everything policy is part of the reason they are in the hole, even the president (that british fellow) went public about it.

And as far as I know, blu-ray isn't the profitable cash cow they were hoping for. Not claiming it's not profitable (since if I recall, it is making money), just that it isn't raking it in. So the blu-ray drive isn't exactly making up the cost it's put on the PS3.

And I was hoping Sony would finally start making money off this.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Bitmap Frogs on 25 August 2009
LordTheNightKnight said:
Bitmap Frogs said:

Their propietary-everything policy is part of the reason they are in the hole, even the president (that british fellow) went public about it.

And as far as I know, blu-ray isn't the profitable cash cow they were hoping for. Not claiming it's not profitable (since if I recall, it is making money), just that it isn't raking it in. So the blu-ray drive isn't exactly making up the cost it's put on the PS3.

And I was hoping Sony would finally start making money off this.

 

It's really tough... they have competitors such as Samsung putting better products on the market at cheaper prices.

Then there's the legacy... there's people out there who have invested money on their propietary connectors, memory cards, etc; they drop all that and go standard they piss previous consumers, they don't they are less competitive on the market.

And then they are losing brand power. Mind you brands in general are losing power, but Sony's been hit specially hard. 

Howard Stringer is a decent guy and he's managed to sway the company so things will eventually change. But these huge-ass corporations take years to turn.





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sguy78 on 25 August 2009

I don't think most people though the PS3 was making a profit recently anyways.