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High Voltage software is developing a new console where the costumer, plugs a cable in his brain and true high voltage they connect theirselves to the game, it will be the most inmersive experience you have ever seen, and it will disrupt the market on 2015 B)

I hate how those customers buy that crap, are they crazy?

You have to love Malstrom :)



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just 2 points :

1/ I agree with the overall point
this guy is right

2/ pre3D periode is not about immersion ???

Old Amiga/PC games that were about immersion :

Cadaver, Ork, Shadow of the Beast, Monkey Island, Powermonger, Syndicat

and the list is LONG very LONG

As soon as 2D gfx were good enought, imersion hasalways be an important part of gaming.

3/ also, to me, immersion > all.



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MontanaHatchet said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

 


They've done it once before, with the NES, so its a pretty good chance they'll do it again at some point

Sony did it once before with the Playstation, doesn't necessarily mean they'll do it once again. The only way Nintendo could really disrupt the market is if the market was in control of another company, and at that point, I see the disruption happening by a newcomer.


With all due respect to both of you, neither the NES nor the Playstation comings were 'disruptions' in the economical sense.

I am not sure you have understood what this economical strategy trully is.

Nothing prevents Nintendo from disrupting itself. In fact, Malstrom predicts that Nintendo have to disrupt itself to survive the Wii !



MontanaHatchet said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
MontanaHatchet said:
"The ‘Revolution’ will rip the Undershot Customer, i.e. the ‘Core’ Gamer, from the throne of gaming, and replace him with the New Customer as the lead customer to rule the Kingdom of Gaming."

And then these new customers will someday become core gamers, become snobby, and then have an even bigger snob write articles about them.

And then Nintendo will disrupt their market

I seriously doubt it would be Nintendo again.


They've done it once before, with the NES, so its a pretty good chance they'll do it again at some point

Sony did it once before with the Playstation, doesn't necessarily mean they'll do it once again. The only way Nintendo could really disrupt the market is if the market was in control of another company, and at that point, I see the disruption happening by a newcomer.

Sony didn't disrupt the console gaming market with the Playstation, what they did was transistion PC gaming to consoles.  And actually disruption doesn't have to be the result of the cmapny that is out of power, a smart company can realize when its right to disrupt its own market.



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

oli2 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

 


They've done it once before, with the NES, so its a pretty good chance they'll do it again at some point

Sony did it once before with the Playstation, doesn't necessarily mean they'll do it once again. The only way Nintendo could really disrupt the market is if the market was in control of another company, and at that point, I see the disruption happening by a newcomer.


With all due respect to both of you, neither the NES nor the Playstation comings were 'disruptions' in the economical sense.

I am not sure you have understood what this economical strategy trully is.

Nothing prevents Nintendo from disrupting itself. In fact, Malstrom predicts that Nintendo have to disrupt itself to survive the Wii !

Actually I would argue that the NES was a disruption in that at the time gaming was largely on gaming computers, which were more than was desired by most consumers, they overshot the market with their complexity, the NES was a lower powered product when compared to the gaming computers, but offered a much more accessible gaming experience, as it didn't require all the setup that gaming computers did, not to mention it was a lot cheaper.  So i'd say it was more of a low-end disruption than a new-Market disruption.

 

"Low-end disruption" occurs when the rate at which products improve exceeds the rate at which customers can adopt the new performance. Therefore, at some point the performance of the product overshoots the needs of certain customer segments. At this point, a disruptive technology may enter the market and provide a product which has lower performance than the incumbent but which exceeds the requirements of certain segments, thereby gaining a foothold in the market. 

 

 



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

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oli2 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:

 


They've done it once before, with the NES, so its a pretty good chance they'll do it again at some point

Sony did it once before with the Playstation, doesn't necessarily mean they'll do it once again. The only way Nintendo could really disrupt the market is if the market was in control of another company, and at that point, I see the disruption happening by a newcomer.


With all due respect to both of you, neither the NES nor the Playstation comings were 'disruptions' in the economical sense.

I am not sure you have understood what this economical strategy trully is.

Nothing prevents Nintendo from disrupting itself. In fact, Malstrom predicts that Nintendo have to disrupt itself to survive the Wii !

The NES is, the Playstation isn't.

The NES made gaming simpler, and marketed towards underserved, "crummy" customers (children). The Atari era consoles may have already been going down the tubes, but they were still disrupted in the end.

The playstation on the other hand outcompeted in the market. It didn't make things simpler, or appeal to new customers. Instead the Playstation had a larger software library, more computational power, more capable of 3D etc. And in part they used their financial muscle to do this. by selling the consoles at a loss. The customers it sold to were mostly the NES era kids who were looking for gaming to grow up with them, ie. be something that's cool and 'mainstream'.

The playstation was attempting to disrupt the personal computer though.



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KylieDog said:
What crap, it isn't about other people. It is about games, Wii doesn't have the sort that more seasoned gamers like, at least not in high enough quantity.

Actually he's partially right, but so are you, while it is the games, the bad games that is, it's these people buying these bad games which makes things worse, especially when the bad games sell way better than the good ones. So as you can see, it's a little bit of both.



The Wii i'd say is a new-market disruption rather than a low-end disruption, we'll be able to confirm it once we see the effect of the PS3 and 360 price cuts, if as I expect, Wii sales remain around their current levels, it'll be clear that Wii is actually carving out a whole new market independent from the 360 and PS3, of people wh didn't feel served by the 360 and PS3



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

"What crap, it isn't about other people. It is about games, Wii doesn't have the sort that more seasoned gamers like, at least not in high enough quantity."

No its not crap, it's very true. If it would just be about wii not having enough harcore games, the hardcore would not hate the wii, they wouldn't just give a shit about it. There are two consoles dedicated to the hardcore, so why can't they accept that there is one console not fitting their taste?

It's the fact that the general customer prefers games such as wii fit and mario kart wii over games like gears of war, mass effect, fallout and killzone, that angers the harcore so much. It wasn't nintendo who made wii successfull, it was the customers. This is why people are actually hating the new customers when they say that they hate the wii.



"More seasoned gamer" LOL. The Wii is taking console gaming back to it's roots, ie 'the arcades at home'.

Arcade games/"casual games" have always been bigger than story driven/"hArDCorZ" games like Mass Effect, Fallout, GoW.

The Wii is the return of arcade gaming with a twist (excuse the pun).

*Looks at top 10 console/PC games*

1. Motion Pong, Punchout, Golf etc Wii Sports, arcade

2. SMB, arcade

3. Duck Hunt, arcade

4. Wii Play, arcade

5. Wii Fit, arcade

6. SMW, arcade

7. GTA, non-arcade

8. SMB 3, arcade

9. Mario Kart Wii, arcade

10. The Sims, non-arcade



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