| exindguy said: The war, as far as Nintendo is concerned, has been over for some time and someone needs to tell the (inaptly-named and increasingly un-hinged) hardcore that the PS and 360 are killing one another while the Wii floats above it all, blithely unaware of their fratricidal race to the bottom. |
That's kind of poetic.
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| KylieDog said:
You are a great example of a selective listener. Yes they said those things but you somehow completely ignore the rest that was said with them, validating a lot of what they say. |
Must of what they said is 2006. We already knew the power of the wii before it came out so that is 2005. As for the lack of 3rd party support, that is about 2008. So they are late with thier argumetns.
Avinash_Tyagi said:
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Speaking of Malstrom, he already made a response to the podcast:
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Everyone has been sending me this video from Invisible Walls. Around 12:50, it becomes a complete hate-fest on the Wii.
Regardless of one’s opinion, there are many facts stated in there that are completely wrong. For example, Punch-Out’s sales did not ‘tank’. Iwata was even praising the Punch-Out’s sales in an Iwata Asks interview.
It is bizarre how a little white game console can attract so much hate. The hate might be understandable if the Wii was stealing all the third party games (it isn’t) or was taking sales from the HD Twins (it isn’t). Wii isn’t even taking sales away from the PS2!
Note how so much of the hate is directed not at the Wii, itself, but at the Wii’s customers. They are literally attacking the players themselves. What did these players do to the hardcore? Nothing.
At one point, they attack the Blue Ocean Strategy which made my eyebrows shoot up. Good job attacking a business book.
Much of the video seemed staged as if they were intentionally trolling for hits. One emailer noted how they didn’t complain about motion controls. I guess after motion plus, they can’t any longer especially with Sony to release their own motion plus.
A comment at the GoNintendo post on it made me laugh:
While watching this, I couldn’t help but notice that the Wii footage looked more fun to me (apart from the Carnival Games bit) than any of the HD realistic stuff. What ever happened to games being games, not interactive games emulating real life?
And LOL at these guys saying the Wii will die in the next 12 months. Are they serious??
The little in-game footage of some generic action shooter HD game looked like it controlled horribly. Robotic movements look stupid. IR aiming FTW.
The Wii hatred, declaring Nintendo “doomed”, and announcing that Wii will be ‘destroyed’ in 12 months isn’t too interesting or new to me. We’ve been hearing this since the Wii was released.
What IS interesting are all these people, appearing from nowhere, defending the indefensible hatred. While some are clearly die-in-the-wool fans of the HD Twins, I do wonder how many are Viral Messengers. This is a big reason why I don’t trust comments or message forums anymore. It just feels like some marketing arm is trying to move the public debate. Imagine this as an example:
*Unicorns are on Mars.*
Commentator One: That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! Unicorns aren’t on Mars!
Commentator Two: Have you ever been on Mars? No? I didn’t think so. Maybe you should know what you are talking about before you start posting.
Commentator One: Are you insane? There are no unicorns on Mars!
Commentator Two: Stop trying to protect the Horse Industry. They just don’t want you to know that unicorns are on Mars. And when was the last time the Horse Industry told you the truth?
Commentator One: You are insane! Horse Industry?
Commentator Two: That’s right! I had hopes you’d eventually grow up.
As absurd as is the above, it matches what we are hearing now.
*Wii is doomed. Console will be DESTROYED in 12 months.*
Commentator One: That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Wii won’t be destroyed in 12 months. What is this guy smoking?
Commentator Two: You know everything that was said was the truth. Perhaps you should watch everything that was being said before you post. Stop being a Nintendo apologist.
Commentator One: Are you insane? Everything that was said there was simply not true.
Commentator Two: Stop being the Nintendo Fanboy. When was the last time Nintendo did anything for you? We all know what was said is true. Stop trying to deny it.
Commentator One: I admit the Wii has problems, but Nintendo is not doomed.
Commentator Two: I knew you’d grow up and see reason. We all know what was said was the truth.
Usually when there are product announcements is when viral messengers begin making their rounds to make sure that the product is *positioned correctly* in the online discussion. Around E3, especially after, is when so many viral messengers tend to appear. Natal is a great example of this phenomenon. So many virals came out and tried to pump Natal hard, declaring it the best thing since sliced bread, and note how they vanished just as quickly as they appeared.
Anyway, all this ‘hardcore hate’ for the Wii is good for my upcoming article. In it, the hardcore are made to say outrageous things, things slightly less outrageous then what you heard in that video. I thought I was going over the top with the hardcore, but I see now that is impossible.
"Pier was a chef, a gifted and respected chef who made millions selling his dishes to the residents of New York City and Boston, he even had a famous jingle playing in those cities that everyone knew by heart. He also had a restaurant in Los Angeles, but not expecting LA to have such a massive population he only used his name on that restaurant and left it to his least capable and cheapest chefs. While his New York restaurant sold kobe beef for $100 and his Boston restaurant sold lobster for $50, his LA restaurant sold cheap hotdogs for $30. Initially these hot dogs sold fairly well because residents of los angeles were starving for good food and hoped that the famous name would denote a high quality, but most were disappointed with what they ate. Seeing the success of his cheap hot dogs in LA, Pier thought "why bother giving Los Angeles quality meats when I can oversell them on cheap hotdogs forever, and since I don't care about the product anyways, why bother advertising them? So Pier continued to only sell cheap hotdogs in LA and was surprised to see that they no longer sold. Pier's conclusion? Residents of Los Angeles don't like food."
"The so-called "hardcore" gamer is a marketing brainwashed, innovation shunting, self-righteous idiot who pays videogame makers far too much money than what is delivered."
3rd thread on the subject so far.
Those idiots (or geniuses? Or more likely idiots expressing their idiocy in a genius way) over at Invisible Walls have to be quite delighted, as their neat little rant has rallied the internet (whether for or against) and probably rocketed this otherwise useless episode (their other points just read like a bulleted list of PS3 Slim features) to prodigious hit-counts, and then we've got these reactions from GoNintendo and from Malstrom. And i wonder where else the internet is blowing up about this?
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Lol, and they wonder why no one takes Gametrailers seriously. The Wii's sales slow down slighty and it's suddendly doomed, motion control is a gimmick until suddendly Sony and Microsoft does it, The Wii has no "hardcore" games, despite of a great lineup this year and an amazing lineup next year just for you "hardcore" gamers.
Silent Hill: Shattered Memories
Red Steel 2
Tatsunoko vs Capcom
Murasama: The Demon Blade
Monster Hunter 3
New Super Mario Bros Wii
Metroid Prime Trilogy
Final Fantasy: The Crystal Bearer
Cursed Mountain
Those are examples of "no games" for the system. They claim they want "hardcore" games so much yet they never purchase it, and the sales are always not what they expected. Wii Sports Resort is already pushing the sales of Wii gradually, and Wii Fit Plus will be coming along to help. Why produce something that doesn't sell as much as these? You "hardcore" aren't buying it anyway. Last, Nintendo is far from "doomed", The system is more successful than it's competition combined. They have no reason for a price cut and "HD". You "hardcore" gamers are just a bunch of brats who cry when you never get what you want. Nintendo is simply making smarter business decisions since you "loyal" Nintendo fans don't seem to care about the "hardcore" games anymore.
This is my opinion of you "hardcore" gamers, and it won't be changing unless all of them do, for the better. Learn to accept change, the industry really needed it. People were getting bored "hardcore" games, which nowadays are shooting simulators. The industry overall was decreasing and a company decided to do something different and help increase it.
That is all.
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On top of it all, the "Hardore" are playing casualized PC games lol.
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Only Ps3 biased fans make fun of the Wii in order to ignore that it's the market leader...Xbox 360 fans almost never talk about the wii...
Odd...they didn't bring up motion controls like they always have before.
Come to think of it, I haven't heard motion controls being bashed for about three months now. I wonder why that might be?
"Xbox 360 fans almost never talk about the wii"
Wrong. They hate the Wii for plenty of reasons.
A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.
Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs
| noname2200 said: Odd...they didn't bring up motion controls like they always have before. Come to think of it, I haven't heard motion controls being bashed for about three months now. I wonder why that might be? |
Because MS and Sony introduced Motion Control, and now it's "cool"
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