Not sure about speed, but when watching a movie I know Bluray kicks the hell out of DVD any day of the week.

Exactly there just games.

           Very well written and hits all the points.  The reason I enjoy my 360 over my PS3 and Wii more this generation is simply the library of games it posses and (IMO) the best online.  I didnt get too wrapped around the value perspective, just the games. 

Everyone keeps saying, now that the 2 consoles are the same price, it shows how Sony's value is better. But we all know that the Elite was $400 just like the 80 gig PS3 before.

So I guess since the slim increased its hard drive to match the elite and forced the elite to drop in price, there is a little bit of leverage towards Sony because of this, but not as much as some of you may think.

The real change other than the fact that both systems now are $100 cheaper, is Microsofts elimination of the Pro.

This is not too smart imo. Instead of having a model with a hard drive that was (and would still be if the price dropped) less expensive than the Sony competition, Microsoft would hold a slight edge. but now the consumer is left with the gimped arcade model, (which we know doesnt sell that great) and the elite, which when looked at draws direct comparison to the PS3.

This comparison includes blu-ray, built in wifi, free online, and a system that is not notorious for RROD'ing.

So overall the comparison is not in Microsofts favor. Yes the 360 looks primitive, but not because of the PS3 price drop, but because of the elimination of the PRO model.

before the Pro was cheaper than the PS3. And Even after a $100 price drop of the "new pro" (Elite), that is no longer the case.

That is the fact that will bring down Microsofts sales for the rest of 09 (in comparison to Sony) imo.

You said "better".  I'm just keeping it "subjective".

^^Oh god. Like debating with a lamp. I DID say better. As in NOT subjective. P.S. you said better too. Good night. I'm done with you.

Microsoft really, really, REALLY needs to look in the mirror and change the way they do business. Their videogame division has lost them $5.5 billion over 9 years, and they are a marginal player in the console market, far behind the Sony-Nintendo power duo. The original Xbox was a solid machine with a fine roster of games. But the 360 has had serious quality problems and cannot match the PS3 on features (it's a long list: WiFi, BluRay, replaceable harddrive, free online). Nor has Microsoft built up a studio network comparable to Sony or Nintendo.

Ironically, the one feature Microsoft touts as its ace card -- XBL -- is a glaring testament to Microsoft's weakness. Because seamless online is not going to be a console monopoly for much longer. Every cellphone on the planet is going to get into the act. What ringtones were to the age of MP3s, downloadable games will be to tomorrow's mobiles.

I'm not saying any of this out of any hatred for Microsoft -- they're just another big company in a world of big companies. The issue, rather, is this: at its heart, Microsoft remains an OS monopoly wedded to a 1990s vision of desktop computing, and this design philosophy is the cause of most of their videogame woes. It's high time they admitted their mistakes, started over with a clean slate, and gave their game division the managerial autonomy to take some risks and reinvent itself. This will be good for videogaming, good for consumers, and good for Microsoft itself.

What i think people on this website fail to see is the average consumer buy the cheaper product of similar items. to the internet junkie vg charts website viewer the specific games on a console may be the deciding factor. but little timmy's mommy is gonna say a video game system is a video game system. I'll buy the cheaper one. everyones claim the games sale the system is not always the case. Because if that was the case are you going to tell me a 1 dollar PS3 would still be losing the console war. no it wouldnt. lets face the fact price has ALOT to do with sales. not everything but alot. especially when you have 2 similar systems. I think the WII does so well is because its something different, something new to try, and lets face it Mario is more marketable than a halo flavored mountain dew. And price is even more important when the economy is in the gutter.

omg I've been missing all this fun arguments hehehe

not true at all, by no means. what the 360 elite comes with is all u need, sure having the stuff the ps3 has it very nice but, the blu-ray feature isnt that good. sure watching movies in hd is nice but only the movies that are truly made in hd show through in blu-ray, otherwise its a complete non-factor. wifi i dont give a shit nor does my friends, a ethernet cable is all i need. either way both systems have great features and have great games to show case its features. i think the elite being at $299 wont hurt the slim's sales much at all, but what it will do i think is help increase the 360 sales somewhat for the holiday's though.