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Runa216 said:
darkknightkryta said:
I'll say, I'm really liking the way Cena's being booked. Like, this is how he needed to have been booked years ago. His match with Cesaro this past Raw could have main evented a PPV.


Damn near everything Cesaro is in is gold.  

And I genuinely don't think Cena gets enough credit.  he may not be a Daniel Bryan or Seth Rollins in technical acumen, but the dude is damn good a match structure and ring psychology. 

Honestly, my biggest problem with Cena is not so much he "Can't wrestle" the problem is that he can.  Cena's actually one of the best wrestlers on the roster.  But for whatever reason he doesn't deliver half the time(Well I should say, the WWE machine won't let him deliver).  I mean, I remember one Raw.  It was Cena vs Rey.  I think 15 minutes went by and Michael Cole was like not one punch was thrown.  He said in a complementary fashion saying they were chain wrestling which is impressive.  I guess having the WWE title is a curse.  His U.S. title run has been so good.  Honestly better than any of his WWE title runs.  Plus he's working the under card so his matches are fresh and top notch.  Like he wouldn't be booed so much if they had booked him like this years ago.  His Superman gimmick was killing his character.



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IWGP Heavyweight Championship contest between AJ Styles and Kazuchika Okada.  Excellent match from this past weekend at Dominion.  Just a lot of fun to watch.  Even with the Bullet Club interfering, it just added to the match without impacting the ending.  The story is mostly about Okada trying to right the ship after losing to both Styles and Tanahashi in his previous attempts at the title.  Styles, on the other hand, is trying to keep the Bullet Club on top.



I'm liking what I'm seeing from RoH and TNA. Although the Cesaro/Cena match was excellent, It lost to TNA last week for me. Plus this week with the shenanigans that EC3 was pulling. That and I'm glad that Dixie Carter came on and said that she won't be pulling the strings and neither will he. Is this the Billy Corgan influence? I'm genuinely wondering what they are going to do now. Either way I'm riding with TNA until it dies in September.



Holy crap.

The Rock ain't got time to bleed.  (stolen from wreddit)



So the Undertaker's back now? Are they going to make him a corporate butt smoocher along with his brother Kane? I wouldn't be surprised. I'm going to drop watching all WWE programming until they start righting this ship. From now on, I will watch everything but WWE.

People that haven't done so need to start watching New Japan Wrestling immediately.  That's the best wrestling on the planet.



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Old man Taker. That didn't look believable at all. Lesnar should have whooped that ass!



You know, in a vacuum, Owens losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Cesaro losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Wyatt losing to Cena doesn't bother me.

It's not a vacuum, though. It's a sequence that has continued for years, to the point of predictability.

When Owens lost to Cena, I simply turned off the feed. All my excitement was gone. I wasn't mad, I wasn't angry, and I certainly wasn't surprised--I was just apathetic. Where before I was honestly enthused about what the WWE might be building for with a title run for Owens, now it's just, "oh, Cena won," and I don't care.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate John Cena, I'm just rather tired of seeing him again, and again, and again, and again. I'm tried of seeing him cut the same promo on RAW while the new guy that he beat, the one that brought something new and interesting to the program, is in a tag team where he gets less total screen time than Cena gets microphone time.

Do I know what Owens is going to be wedged into a tag team with Big Show or left to feud with R Truth? No, I really don't. However, I do think my fear is fully justified by experience.



pokoko said:
You know, in a vacuum, Owens losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Cesaro losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Wyatt losing to Cena doesn't bother me.

It's not a vacuum, though. It's a sequence that has continued for years, to the point of predictability.

When Owens lost to Cena, I simply turned off the feed. All my excitement was gone. I wasn't mad, I wasn't angry, and I certainly wasn't surprised--I was just apathetic. Where before I was honestly enthused about what the WWE might be building for with a title run for Owens, now it's just, "oh, Cena won," and I don't care.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate John Cena, I'm just rather tired of seeing him again, and again, and again, and again. I'm tried of seeing him cut the same promo on RAW while the new guy that he beat, the one that brought something new and interesting to the program, is in a tag team where he gets less total screen time than Cena gets microphone time.

Do I know what Owens is going to be wedged into a tag team with Big Show or left to feud with R Truth? No, I really don't. However, I do think my fear is fully justified by experience.


It seems he's back in the title picture as well.



pokoko said:
You know, in a vacuum, Owens losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Cesaro losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Wyatt losing to Cena doesn't bother me.

It's not a vacuum, though. It's a sequence that has continued for years, to the point of predictability.

When Owens lost to Cena, I simply turned off the feed. All my excitement was gone. I wasn't mad, I wasn't angry, and I certainly wasn't surprised--I was just apathetic. Where before I was honestly enthused about what the WWE might be building for with a title run for Owens, now it's just, "oh, Cena won," and I don't care.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate John Cena, I'm just rather tired of seeing him again, and again, and again, and again. I'm tried of seeing him cut the same promo on RAW while the new guy that he beat, the one that brought something new and interesting to the program, is in a tag team where he gets less total screen time than Cena gets microphone time.

Do I know what Owens is going to be wedged into a tag team with Big Show or left to feud with R Truth? No, I really don't. However, I do think my fear is fully justified by experience.

I agree with you here on all points, but there's one counter-point:  as predictable as he may be, he is regularly involved in Match of the Night contenders.  Ever since he did the US Open Challenge, he has been putting on stellar match after stellar match.  Sami Zayn, Cesaro, Kevin Owens, NEville, etc. Sure, all of those opponents are phenomenal wrestlers, but clearly he's just as involved as they are.  

I'm okay with Cena having that place in the roster.  It makes it all the more special when he DOES lose.  Owens beating him put Owens in the picture nearly immediately. Cena may have won in the end, but Owens still got a rub from it.  Cesaro still got a rub from it.  Neville and Zayn both got rubs from it.  Wonderful stuff, really.  You just have to look at it from the right angle. 



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pokoko said:
You know, in a vacuum, Owens losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Cesaro losing to Cena doesn't bother me. In a vacuum, Wyatt losing to Cena doesn't bother me.

It's not a vacuum, though. It's a sequence that has continued for years, to the point of predictability.

When Owens lost to Cena, I simply turned off the feed. All my excitement was gone. I wasn't mad, I wasn't angry, and I certainly wasn't surprised--I was just apathetic. Where before I was honestly enthused about what the WWE might be building for with a title run for Owens, now it's just, "oh, Cena won," and I don't care.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate John Cena, I'm just rather tired of seeing him again, and again, and again, and again. I'm tried of seeing him cut the same promo on RAW while the new guy that he beat, the one that brought something new and interesting to the program, is in a tag team where he gets less total screen time than Cena gets microphone time.

Do I know what Owens is going to be wedged into a tag team with Big Show or left to feud with R Truth? No, I really don't. However, I do think my fear is fully justified by experience.


I probably would have argued with this until John Cena got into a thing with Rollins last night.  I was fine with Cena winning on the midcard, but I have no interest in seeing him fight Rollins.  They've made Rollins look so weak recently, and a feud with Cena could be the straw that breaks the camel's back.  Hopefully it will become a triple threat, fatal four way, or sommething.