if you gonna count the systems released before PS360 and wii, why dont you include the PS2?

Because those are the main seventh generation systems-both console and portable.

Although... the PS2 is still outselling and out-shipping some of this gens contenders.

so DS and PSP are next gen? they were launched in 2004, lol

DS and PSP were released in late 2004/early 2005 (late 2005 for PSP in Europe), X360 was released in late 2005 too. Now please stop humiliating yourself.

No, not "next gen", they're current generation handhelds-meaning they're 7th generation handhelds. 360, PS3 and Wii are 7th generation home consoles.

@ Carl, yes, it does, and that says everything about how successful the PS2 has been. And the systems it usually outships or outsells are PS3 and 360-the HD platforms. I think the argument in the beginning of this thread was HD sales > non-HD sales. If that's the case, current PS2 sales (sales during this console generation) would be included in non-HD sales. Or is that the point you were making? I think the point of this thread has gotten a little lost.

Although PS2 sales only rise above PS3/360 sales in Japan, really. And even then it's usually only above 360, which is essentially a non-competitor in the Japanese market. Although in 2006/2007, PS2 did sometimes outsell PS3 or 360 in the US, according to NPD, didn't it?

NEXT gen starts when the console (or handheld) with better graphics than ALL last gen consoles is launched (like 360 in december 2005). Since PS2 has slightly better graphics than PSP and much better graphics than DS, DS and PSP are not next gen, more like 6.5 gen

You have an interesting definition of what a generation of console is.. lol Hopefully, VGChartz doesnt think like you. Whetever you try to spin the numbers, Nintendo win anyway.

I sure hope I never see you comparing PS3 to X360 from launch.

i dont. i just said when the next generation is beggining. And add PS2 to your numbers and Nintendo will get its ass kicked hard