Actually, what we mainly see on DS like Wii is a lot of shovelware.  The big third party games on DS don't tend to sell all that well eg. Grand Theft Auto:  Chinatown Wars has come nowhere near selling what the PSP GTA games have sold.  And 50 million PSP's sold is too large of a number for developers to ignore.  That's why we see new games like FF Dissidia and Metal Gear Solid Peacewalker come to PSP while Square generally just continues to remake their back catalogue on DS.

MidnightRider85 said: DjFlex53 said: MidnightRider85 said: Mummelmann said: What victory is this you speak of? That the Slim rumors were true? There really weren't many who believed the rumors held no merit and if there were, that wouldn't exactly matter other than on a "I told you so" level. As for the product itself, it remains to be seen how the Slim will perform so no one should celebrate or "sell the pelt before the bear is shot" so to speak. I did like the announcements though, I was hoping for a PS3 Slim and GT5 news and I got both!      I haven't heard the GT5 news.  Couple a $299 PS3 with FFXIII as an exclusive in Japan (virtually knocking the 360 out of being able to even be called a competitor there), GT5 which will probably sell 10X more at least than Forza 3 in Japan, another exclusive FF coming to the PS3 in Japan.  It's just going to give PS3 so much momentum coming from the Japanese market like the PSP has that we will begin to see a differentiation creeping into the PS3 and 360 libraries that has been nonexistent the last couple of years which further increase PS3 sales. Then look at Europe the last time there was a PS3 price cut in Europe the PS3 beat the 360 by 20,000 or more each week until Microsoft decided to use two price cuts in that region.  Throw in GT5's impending release in Europe and Microsoft planning to raise the price of the Arcade in Europe, that puts all of that momentum back into Sony's court. Then thrown in the 360's other problems still having the rrod.  All of Microsoft's big games being shoved back to 2010 while Sony is set to have a stellar Christmas.  At the very least Sony should have the 360's lead down to the 5 to 6 million range again in the not too distant future.  Of course since both consoles will have probably sold 30 million plus units by the middle of 2010 no Western developer is going to stop making PS3 versions of their games while the strength of Japanese developers will continue to swell due to the ff, etc, sales, you see PS3 winding up with the type of game library that the PS2 had goin for it while we'll be getting games in the same tired old series from MS  .  .  . It all leads back to PS3 coming out the victor the HD wars if they continue to play their cards right. The problem is that they haven't played their cards right so far this generation (3 years) unless they planned on being in 3rd place the first 3 years of PS3's lifespan. So the "if" is a big "IF".      Of course that doesn't matter so much when Microsoft hasn't played their cards right since about the time Ninja Gaiden II came out about 18 months ago.      I would say a $299 PS3 at Christmas with big exclusives s like Uncharted 2, Ratchet Future 2, in the West and FFXIII in Japan and GT5 in both would very much be Sony playing their cards right.      And the recent success of PSP coming in ahead of the 360 worldwide the past few weeks indicates Sony is doing something right.

So Microsoft having built on their lead in the last 18 months is not playing their cards right, but Sony losing ground and finally get a price cut IS playing their cards right?? Huh? 

$299 Elite with big exclusives like Halo: ODST, Forza 3 & Left4Dead 2 with SC: Conviction, Mass Effect 2 & Alan Wake in early 2010 says Microsoft has been one step ahead of Sony now & throughout this generation.

Edit: It's funny that you are now resorting to comparing the 360 to a handheld instead of its direct competition.

OMG, i just can't believe it. So why in the blue hell sony made consoles they didn't want to sell? I mean, by doing them, they already lost the money. I can't believe people buy all that crap

I consider price dropping not to be a victory, but a defeat. For each console Sony sells now, they will be making less money on (or losing more). This is what they are forced to do because otherwise they're sitting in last place on both fronts.

wow you are so intelligent.

DjFlex53 said: MidnightRider85 said: DjFlex53 said: MidnightRider85 said: Mummelmann said: What victory is this you speak of? That the Slim rumors were true? There really weren't many who believed the rumors held no merit and if there were, that wouldn't exactly matter other than on a "I told you so" level. As for the product itself, it remains to be seen how the Slim will perform so no one should celebrate or "sell the pelt before the bear is shot" so to speak. I did like the announcements though, I was hoping for a PS3 Slim and GT5 news and I got both!      I haven't heard the GT5 news.  Couple a $299 PS3 with FFXIII as an exclusive in Japan (virtually knocking the 360 out of being able to even be called a competitor there), GT5 which will probably sell 10X more at least than Forza 3 in Japan, another exclusive FF coming to the PS3 in Japan.  It's just going to give PS3 so much momentum coming from the Japanese market like the PSP has that we will begin to see a differentiation creeping into the PS3 and 360 libraries that has been nonexistent the last couple of years which further increase PS3 sales. Then look at Europe the last time there was a PS3 price cut in Europe the PS3 beat the 360 by 20,000 or more each week until Microsoft decided to use two price cuts in that region.  Throw in GT5's impending release in Europe and Microsoft planning to raise the price of the Arcade in Europe, that puts all of that momentum back into Sony's court. Then thrown in the 360's other problems still having the rrod.  All of Microsoft's big games being shoved back to 2010 while Sony is set to have a stellar Christmas.  At the very least Sony should have the 360's lead down to the 5 to 6 million range again in the not too distant future.  Of course since both consoles will have probably sold 30 million plus units by the middle of 2010 no Western developer is going to stop making PS3 versions of their games while the strength of Japanese developers will continue to swell due to the ff, etc, sales, you see PS3 winding up with the type of game library that the PS2 had goin for it while we'll be getting games in the same tired old series from MS  .  .  . It all leads back to PS3 coming out the victor the HD wars if they continue to play their cards right. The problem is that they haven't played their cards right so far this generation (3 years) unless they planned on being in 3rd place the first 3 years of PS3's lifespan. So the "if" is a big "IF".      Of course that doesn't matter so much when Microsoft hasn't played their cards right since about the time Ninja Gaiden II came out about 18 months ago.      I would say a $299 PS3 at Christmas with big exclusives s like Uncharted 2, Ratchet Future 2, in the West and FFXIII in Japan and GT5 in both would very much be Sony playing their cards right.      And the recent success of PSP coming in ahead of the 360 worldwide the past few weeks indicates Sony is doing something right. So Microsoft having built on their lead in the last 18 months is not playing their cards right, but Sony losing ground and finally get a price cut IS playing their cards right?? Huh?  $299 Elite with big exclusives like Halo: ODST, Forza 3 & Left4Dead 2 with SC: Conviction, Mass Effect 2 & Alan Wake in early 2010 says Microsoft has been one step ahead of Sony now & throughout this generation. Edit: It's funny that you are now resorting to comparing the 360 to a handheld instead of its direct competition.

     Yeah, securing rights to FFXIII in all territories except its most important one is a prime example of Microsoft always being ahead of PS3 this gen.

     And, I was comparing the 360 to the PSP to show how the 360 has actually been falling off a bit lately.  PSP has been beating 360 in Europe the last three or weeks and that was unheard of following the 360's last price cut and until the past E3.

This thread reminds me of a comic panel I drew a while ago...



Or maybe it was this one, I forget...

Smeags said: This thread reminds me of a comic panel I drew a while ago... Or maybe it was this one, I forget...

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is the bottom one our own ghost-busters creater?

you drew those? awesome man! :D

The PS3 will be doing better from here on out, I do think so but imagining it in 1st place actually winning the console war?! That's a whole new type of delusion to me, there's just no way even if all was in favor of such an outcome (and it isn't, by far).
All in all, I don't think its reasonable to assume that it'll do more than half of the PS2's numbers worldwide, which would still be pretty damn good in my books.

      Well, 360 only got where they are now because of two price cuts last year.  I guess that was just failure in your book.