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Squilliam said:
Xoj said:
Squilliam said:

Sony admits to failing Nvidia chips 13 months late

SONY HAS FINALLY confessed that it used defective graphics chips in 14 models in its Vaio laptop range. The defective chips, manufactured by Nvidia, can cause distorted video, graphics display artifacts, random characters and blank screens.

The problem first arose over a year ago and Nvidia finally admitted it in an SEC 8K filing in July 2008. Major PC manufacturers including Apple, Dell and HP have long since implemented free recall and repair programmes, paid for at least in part by Nvidia.

Nvidia's problem was caused by cracking in the underfill material of the graphics chips and worsened by high levels of heat generated in laptops, and it was diagnosed by the Inquirer in September 2008.

Some manufacturers initially attempted to cover up the chip problem by supplying system patches that continually activated cooling fans to prevent further damage and stave off expensive warranty repairs.

But persistent pressure from the Inquirer and lots of angry users led to admissions from Nvidia and the manufacturers as well as high volumes of laptop repairs under warranty and even some product recalls.

Throughout this whole debacle, Sony remained tight-lipped, insisting that its products were unaffected.

Until now, that is.

A statement from Sony, dated August 4th 2009, reads as follows:

"In July 2008, Nvidia publicly acknowledged a failure associated with some of their graphics processors (GPU) due to a manufacturing defect in the graphics chip packaging. At that time Sony and Nvidia jointly investigated whether Vaio models equipped with this GPU were impacted by the issue. This investigation revealed that the issue had not occurred in such Vaio models.

"However, after closely monitoring the situation, Sony has now determined that a very small percentage of computers with the Nvidia graphics chips may be affected.

"These PCs may exhibit distorted video, random characters or a blank screen due to failure of the Nvidia graphics chips.

"As part of our commitment to quality, for any customer who requires repair of their Vaio due to the Nvidia graphics processor issue, Sony will cover the cost of repair (parts and labour) at no charge during the first four years following the date of purchase of the models in question (see list below).

"In case your model is shown in the list below, we invite you to contact Vaio support to arrange service for your Viao."

Is it coincidence that this announcement - which is buried deep in the Sony Vaio support website, and only accessible if you have your model number and serial number to hand - came exactly 13 months after Nvidia finally admitted its culpability?

We can only guess how many disgruntled Sony Vaio owners have scrapped an apparently dead 'out of warranty' laptop because of the faulty Nvidia graphics chips. µ

i think that answers everything, Sony always comes out smelling like roses.****

Roses which are genetically altered to small like shit that is.****

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1528907/sony-admits-failing-nvidia-chips-months-late

This is your answer, btw since we don't have any accurate information on the PS1 and PS2 failures we cannot be certain of the nature and extent of their problems. So whilst I cannot prove that its any worse than RROD, you cannot prove it was any better and the extent of the problem really does enter into a subjective area where the capability of the user and the types of failure and whether the consumer was out of pocket come into play.

they are giving support OUT OF WARRANTY to nvidia vaio users according to engadget, but you had to look flamewar stater the inquirer , and they also were fast in their own Battery fiasco.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/11/sony-finally-admits-nvidia-chips-are-borking-its-laptops-offers/

and Sony is offering to repair yours for free within four years of the purchase date, irrespective of warranty status. Kudos go to Sony for (eventually) addressing the problem,

 

18 months after they knew about a problem? Kudos my ass. It took about 6 months for Nvidia to own up to the problem. Btw, Nvidias paying for it, so no they did nothing right here.

 

it took more than year for microsoft to come up and extend the warranty 3 years? so your point?

and microsoft knew about the RROD before launch they still release it like that, this appear a while after NVIDIA, HP and dell followeda few months later and not all manufacturers have recalled yet,



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They extended the warranty within about a year of release and immediately offered to reimburse people who had failures before that time. Sony hid the truth, denied and denied and then finally when they admitted there was a problem they hid it from plain site on their support pages. Im not saying that the RROD problem wasn't bad, im saying that Sony has acted like complete assholes on this issue and thats with someone else footing a majority of the bill, Microsoft took the hit themselves and they came to the party much sooner and they did it openly.

They never admitted any problems in any of their consoles, despite their reputations for having a higher than normal failure rate.



Tease.

Given these numbers are coming from a gaming magazine I would suggest the numbers are skewed quite heavily towards frequently used consoles. The article verifies this as much with the stat that 40ish% use their console 3-5 hours per day. That's more than a part time job, there's no way that's the standard for all users across the installation base.

Even the PS3 numbers of failure are much higher than anticipated, that should highlight the fact that you can't take this at face value.



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Sony's had several major engineering boo-boo over the past 15 years, but hey...they are still the cat's meow...kinda like Apple, with a PROPRIETARY as hell OS that heavily restrict vendors and manufacturers, but M$ get crap about having an open OS...never fails.



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heruamon said:
Sony's had several major engineering boo-boo over the past 15 years, but hey...they are still the cat's meow...kinda like Apple, with a PROPRIETARY as hell OS that heavily restrict vendors and manufacturers, but M$ get crap about having an open OS...never fails.

HAHAHA open OS. that nevers fails?.

sorry it's this sarcastic microsoft had a track record of bugged software.

blue screen of death,  windows ME, Windows 2000 64,000 bugs, windows xp at launch still have many of the bugs, windows vista.



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Xoj said:
heruamon said:
Sony's had several major engineering boo-boo over the past 15 years, but hey...they are still the cat's meow...kinda like Apple, with a PROPRIETARY as hell OS that heavily restrict vendors and manufacturers, but M$ get crap about having an open OS...never fails.

HAHAHA open OS. that nevers fails?.

sorry it's this sarcastic microsoft had a track record of bugged software.

blue screen of death,  windows ME, Windows 2000 64,000 bugs, windows xp at launch still have many of the bugs, windows vista.


At least they fix it. And Sony has never put any hidden software/spyware on their music discs, or used highly proprietary hardware like the PSP memory sticks, or the Minidisc players. Sony also didn't have widespread problems with the PS2. Quite your wining dude, ALL companies make mistakes, the more succesful ones just seem to get trashed because some people hate success, that will be the inevetable end to society.



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BTW...I'm looking at the August 2009 issue of Game Informer, and this article isn't in this issue...I don't have my July issue anymore, was it in there, or is it in the upcoming September issue? I login into Game Informer, being a subscriber, and there is NO mention of this article.



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

ironman said:
Xoj said:
heruamon said:
Sony's had several major engineering boo-boo over the past 15 years, but hey...they are still the cat's meow...kinda like Apple, with a PROPRIETARY as hell OS that heavily restrict vendors and manufacturers, but M$ get crap about having an open OS...never fails.

HAHAHA open OS. that nevers fails?.

sorry it's this sarcastic microsoft had a track record of bugged software.

blue screen of death,  windows ME, Windows 2000 64,000 bugs, windows xp at launch still have many of the bugs, windows vista.


At least they fix it. And Sony has never put any hidden software/spyware on their music discs, or used highly proprietary hardware like the PSP memory sticks, or the Minidisc players. Sony also didn't have widespread problems with the PS2. Quite your wining dude, ALL companies make mistakes, the more succesful ones just seem to get trashed because some people hate success, that will be the inevetable end to society.

microsoft didn't make a mistake, they knew about 360 problems before launch but they release it -

they thought they could "patch" like software.



Xoj said:
ironman said:
Xoj said:
heruamon said:
Sony's had several major engineering boo-boo over the past 15 years, but hey...they are still the cat's meow...kinda like Apple, with a PROPRIETARY as hell OS that heavily restrict vendors and manufacturers, but M$ get crap about having an open OS...never fails.

HAHAHA open OS. that nevers fails?.

sorry it's this sarcastic microsoft had a track record of bugged software.

blue screen of death,  windows ME, Windows 2000 64,000 bugs, windows xp at launch still have many of the bugs, windows vista.


At least they fix it. And Sony has never put any hidden software/spyware on their music discs, or used highly proprietary hardware like the PSP memory sticks, or the Minidisc players. Sony also didn't have widespread problems with the PS2. Quite your wining dude, ALL companies make mistakes, the more succesful ones just seem to get trashed because some people hate success, that will be the inevetable end to society.

microsoft didn't make a mistake, they knew about 360 problems before launch but they release it -

they thought they could "patch" like software.

And you have proof of this....



"...You can't kill ideas with a sword, and you can't sink belief structures with a broadside. You defeat them by making them change..."

- From By Schism Rent Asunder

heruamon said:
Xoj said:
ironman said:
Xoj said:
heruamon said:
Sony's had several major engineering boo-boo over the past 15 years, but hey...they are still the cat's meow...kinda like Apple, with a PROPRIETARY as hell OS that heavily restrict vendors and manufacturers, but M$ get crap about having an open OS...never fails.

HAHAHA open OS. that nevers fails?.

sorry it's this sarcastic microsoft had a track record of bugged software.

blue screen of death,  windows ME, Windows 2000 64,000 bugs, windows xp at launch still have many of the bugs, windows vista.


At least they fix it. And Sony has never put any hidden software/spyware on their music discs, or used highly proprietary hardware like the PSP memory sticks, or the Minidisc players. Sony also didn't have widespread problems with the PS2. Quite your wining dude, ALL companies make mistakes, the more succesful ones just seem to get trashed because some people hate success, that will be the inevetable end to society.

microsoft didn't make a mistake, they knew about 360 problems before launch but they release it -

they thought they could "patch" like software.

And you have proof of this....

of course

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/17508/Takahashi-Microsoft-Knew-About-RROD-Before-Launch/

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/29118

Microsoft knew it had flawed machines, but it did not delay its launch because it believed the quality problems would subside over time. With each new machine, the company figured it would ride the “learning curve,” or continuously improve its production. Even though Microsoft’s leaders knew their quality wasn’t top notch, they did not ensure that resources were in place to handle returns and quickly debug bad consoles. There were plenty of warning signs, but the company chose to ignore them. The different parts of the business weren’t aligned.

http://games.venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/

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